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Team 2GNT encourages members to actually DO something with their cars. There's no point in building race car you never race, right? This forum is dedicated to those among us who make going fast with class more than just a catch phrase. NO STREET RACING. THIS IS REAL RACING.
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2.4 pt eclipse...
by neon11
697 topics
6169 messages
Auto Trans- A604
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For questions, problems, or performance concerning the Chrysler A604 4 speed automatic transaxle.
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RE: What auto transm...
by electrohead
667 topics
4648 messages
Manual Trans - NV-T350
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For questions or problems concerning the New Venture-built 5 speed manual NV-T350 transaxle
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RE: I need help on a...
by 420agreenvilleSC
1437 topics
8971 messages
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why is does my car bog? [View all]daltahMay-12-03 12:16 PM0455 ---
no Fuel reg????? [View all]InFiNiT3May-12-03 11:53 AM
by Michael_97RS
7702 ---
Replies to this topic:
RE: no Fuel reg?????, shuwa29, May-11-03 12:34 AM, #1
RE: no Fuel reg?????, InFiNiT3, May-11-03 10:33 AM, #2
      RE: no Fuel reg?????, 96eclipse2nr, May-11-03 12:32 PM, #3
           RE: no Fuel reg?????, juggalo, May-11-03 12:50 PM, #4
                RE: no Fuel reg?????, InFiNiT3, May-11-03 09:24 PM, #5
                     RE: no Fuel reg?????, ModeratorCorbin, May-12-03 07:27 AM, #6
                          RE: no Fuel reg?????, TeamMichael_97RS, May-12-03 11:53 AM, #7
Having troubles getting shrader valve back in fuel rail... [View all]ModeratorEvuLFleAMay-12-03 09:01 AM
by The1Bill
6721 ---
Replies to this topic:
RE: Having troubles getting shrader valve back in fuel rail..., Erik, May-11-03 06:22 PM, #1
RE: Having troubles getting shrader valve back in fuel rail..., 420aVenger, May-11-03 06:25 PM, #2
      RE: Having troubles getting shrader valve back in fuel rail..., ModeratorEvuLFleA, May-11-03 06:39 PM, #3
           RE: Having troubles getting shrader valve back in fuel rail..., The1Bill, May-11-03 08:21 PM, #4
                RE: Having troubles getting shrader valve back in fuel rail..., TeamMichael_97RS, May-12-03 04:57 AM, #5
                     RE: Having troubles getting shrader valve back in fuel rail..., The1Bill, May-12-03 09:01 AM, #6
SOMETHING WRONG, PLEASE HELP [View all]importzruleMay-12-03 08:53 AM
by importzrule
4729 ---
Replies to this topic:
RE: SOMETHING WRONG, PLEASE HELP, EvMan2345, May-12-03 07:22 AM, #1
RE: SOMETHING WRONG, PLEASE HELP, a_miller_76, May-12-03 07:30 AM, #2
RE: SOMETHING WRONG, PLEASE HELP, importzrule, May-12-03 08:52 AM, #3
RE: SOMETHING WRONG, PLEASE HELP, importzrule, May-12-03 08:53 AM, #4
2.4 Build up- Upgrade, answers on prices and labor of Prof. buildup [View all]widebodiedMay-12-03 06:58 AM
by MotoFool
72176 ---
Replies to this topic:
RE: 2.4 Build up- Upgrade, answers on prices and labor of Prof. buildup, TeamMichael_97RS, Apr-30-03 05:17 AM, #1
RE: 2.4 Build up- Upgrade, answers on prices and labor of Prof. buildup, 95 silver gs, Apr-30-03 09:26 AM, #2
      RE: 2.4 Build up- Upgrade, answers on prices and labor of Prof. buildup, widebodied, Apr-30-03 05:54 PM, #3
           RE: 2.4 Build up- Upgrade, answers on prices and labor of Prof. buildup, MotoFool, Apr-30-03 11:14 PM, #4
RE: 2.4 Build up- Upgrade, answers on prices and labor of Prof. buildup, docta doom, May-02-03 09:44 AM, #5
RE: 2.4 Build up- Upgrade, answers on prices and labor of Prof. buildup, widebodied, May-11-03 05:41 PM, #6
      RE: 2.4 Build up- Upgrade, answers on prices and labor of Prof. buildup, MotoFool, May-12-03 06:58 AM, #7
Ignition Trigger [View all]GregMay-12-03 05:05 AM
by Michael_97RS
4862 ---
Replies to this topic:
RE: Ignition Trigger, TeamXtremeRS, May-11-03 03:31 PM, #1
RE: Ignition Trigger, The1Bill, May-11-03 04:24 PM, #2
      RE: Ignition Trigger, Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, May-11-03 04:30 PM, #3
           RE: Ignition Trigger, TeamMichael_97RS, May-12-03 05:05 AM, #4
thinking about turbo...kina long... [View all]coppereclipse95May-12-03 04:35 AM
by soldier101
4992 ---
Replies to this topic:
RE: thinking about turbo...kina long..., juggalo, May-11-03 10:11 AM, #1
RE: thinking about turbo...kina long..., TeamDR1665, May-11-03 02:24 PM, #2
RE: thinking about turbo...kina long..., coppereclipse95, May-11-03 09:12 PM, #3
      RE: thinking about turbo...kina long..., soldier101, May-12-03 04:35 AM, #4
wtf is wrong with my car?!?! [View all]berzerkledMay-12-03 01:23 AM
by scirio
6901 ---
Replies to this topic:
RE: wtf is wrong with my car?!?!, juggalo, May-11-03 12:10 AM, #1
RE: wtf is wrong with my car?!?!, distort, May-11-03 06:06 AM, #2
      RE: wtf is wrong with my car?!?!, berzerkled, May-11-03 06:23 AM, #3
           RE: wtf is wrong with my car?!?!, ScarFace19, May-11-03 06:43 AM, #4
                RE: wtf is wrong with my car?!?!, Dark Ringleader, May-11-03 02:42 PM, #5
                     RE: wtf is wrong with my car?!?!, scirio, May-12-03 01:23 AM, #6
Engine Swap or Rebuild????HELP [View all]hyeclasseclipseMay-11-03 05:26 PM
by widebodied
2530 ---
Replies to this topic:
RE: Engine Swap or Rebuild????HELP, MajinVejitaXV, May-11-03 05:16 PM, #1
RE: Engine Swap or Rebuild????HELP, widebodied, May-11-03 05:24 PM, #2
what does this ECU code mean?!?!?! [View all]eclipser96gsMay-11-03 04:45 PM
by 1sweet98talon
3576 ---
Replies to this topic:
RE: what does this ECU code mean?!?!?!, Mannyyy, May-11-03 09:41 AM, #1
RE: what does this ECU code mean?!?!?!, eclipser96gs, May-11-03 10:18 AM, #2
      RE: what does this ECU code mean?!?!?!, 1sweet98talon, May-11-03 04:45 PM, #3
CEL [View all]98talonNTMay-11-03 11:25 AM
by Joe B Slow
1542 ---
Replies to this topic:
RE: CEL, Joe B Slow, May-11-03 11:25 AM, #1
swaped to a 5 speed cant get the speedometer to work [View all]carolinacatMay-11-03 10:12 AM
by carolinacat
8800 ---
Replies to this topic:
RE: swaped to a 5 speed cant get the speedometer to work, Fast420A, May-06-03 02:29 AM, #1
RE: swaped to a 5 speed cant get the speedometer to work, Chamuko, May-06-03 09:48 PM, #2
      RE: swaped to a 5 speed cant get the speedometer to work, StealthRSR, May-09-03 05:04 AM, #3
           RE: swaped to a 5 speed cant get the speedometer to work, carolinacat, May-10-03 02:40 PM, #4
                RE: swaped to a 5 speed cant get the speedometer to work, daltah, May-10-03 02:53 PM, #5
                     RE: swaped to a 5 speed cant get the speedometer to work, StealthRSR, May-10-03 03:03 PM, #6
                          RE: swaped to a 5 speed cant get the speedometer to work, carolinacat, May-11-03 05:50 AM, #7
                               RE: swaped to a 5 speed cant get the speedometer to work, carolinacat, May-11-03 10:12 AM, #8
ENGINE OIL LEAK!!! WHAT DO I DO??? [View all]hyeclasseclipseMay-11-03 09:58 AM
by hyeclasseclipse
4608 ---
Replies to this topic:
RE: ENGINE OIL LEAK!!! WHAT DO I DO???, hyeclasseclipse, May-11-03 09:42 AM, #1
RE: ENGINE OIL LEAK!!! WHAT DO I DO???, distort, May-11-03 09:50 AM, #2
      RE: ENGINE OIL LEAK!!! WHAT DO I DO???, Mannyyy, May-11-03 09:56 AM, #3
           RE: ENGINE OIL LEAK!!! WHAT DO I DO???, hyeclasseclipse, May-11-03 09:58 AM, #4
My throttle is stuck, and I have no clue on what to do [View all]TJEclipseMay-11-03 09:18 AM
by TJEclipse
5611 ---
Replies to this topic:
RE: My throttle is stuck, and I have no clue on what to do, shuwa29, May-10-03 09:44 PM, #1
RE: My throttle is stuck, and I have no clue on what to do, TJEclipse, May-10-03 09:55 PM, #2
      RE: My throttle is stuck, and I have no clue on what to do, shuwa29, May-10-03 09:58 PM, #3
           RE: My throttle is stuck, and I have no clue on what to do, juggalo, May-11-03 12:07 AM, #4
                RE: My throttle is stuck, and I have no clue on what to do, TJEclipse, May-11-03 09:17 AM, #5
I know greddy headers are the best but what about [View all]darosa4561May-11-03 06:50 AM
by ScarFace19
131146 ---
Replies to this topic:
RE: I know greddy headers are the best but what about, eclipse_gs_1512, May-05-03 05:44 PM, #1
RE: I know greddy headers are the best but what about, darosa4561, May-06-03 01:15 AM, #2
      RE: I know greddy headers are the best but what about, juggalo, May-06-03 01:47 AM, #3
           RE: I know greddy headers are the best but what about, darosa4561, May-06-03 02:04 AM, #4
                RE: I know greddy headers are the best but what about, Vandy420a, May-06-03 07:46 AM, #5
                     RE: I know greddy headers are the best but what about, CaptinMorgan97, May-06-03 11:22 AM, #6
                          RE: I know greddy headers are the best but what about, Justin99RS, May-06-03 11:49 AM, #7
                               RE: I know greddy headers are the best but what about, darosa4561, May-06-03 03:22 PM, #8
                                    RE: I know greddy headers are the best but what about, 95ALLmotorFWD, May-06-03 04:47 PM, #9
                                         RE: I know greddy headers are the best but what about, My9t5Talon, May-06-03 04:53 PM, #10
                                              RE: I know greddy headers are the best but what about, StealthRSR, May-10-03 03:21 PM, #11
                                                   RE: I know greddy headers are the best but what about, drewkivela, May-11-03 06:40 AM, #12
                                                        RE: I know greddy headers are the best but what about, ScarFace19, May-11-03 06:50 AM, #13
BROKEN 97 GS, wanna help? [View all]ErikMay-11-03 06:50 AM
by Erik
6628 ---
Replies to this topic:
RE: BROKEN 97 GS, wanna help?, shuwa29, May-10-03 12:31 PM, #1
RE: BROKEN 97 GS, wanna help?, Erik, May-10-03 12:46 PM, #2
      RE: BROKEN 97 GS, wanna help?, 96eclipse2nr, May-10-03 01:08 PM, #3
           RE: BROKEN 97 GS, wanna help?, Erik, May-10-03 02:01 PM, #4
                RE: BROKEN 97 GS, wanna help?, shuwa29, May-10-03 05:27 PM, #5
                     RE: BROKEN 97 GS, wanna help?, Erik, May-11-03 06:50 AM, #6
420a vs 4g63 [View all]dparkMay-10-03 07:57 PM
by dpark
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Replies to this topic:
RE: 420a vs 4g63, FlyinEsi, May-08-03 01:02 PM, #1
RE: 420a vs 4g63, Kirby, May-08-03 01:16 PM, #2
RE: 420a vs 4g63, dpark, May-08-03 01:19 PM, #3
      RE: 420a vs 4g63, thedawg, May-08-03 02:02 PM, #4
           RE: 420a vs 4g63, CVedEclipse, May-08-03 02:54 PM, #5
                RE: 420a vs 4g63, dpark, May-08-03 04:51 PM, #6
                RE: 420a vs 4g63, widebodied, May-08-03 06:58 PM, #7
                     RE: 420a vs 4g63, JZA69, May-08-03 07:18 PM, #8
                     RE: 420a vs 4g63, TeamMetalJim, May-08-03 07:43 PM, #9
                          RE: 420a vs 4g63, StealthRSR, May-09-03 04:50 AM, #10
                               RE: 420a vs 4g63, dpark, May-09-03 09:45 AM, #11
                                    RE: 420a vs 4g63, Remy, May-09-03 10:50 AM, #12
                                         RE: 420a vs 4g63, BoostedGS, May-09-03 11:40 AM, #13
                                              RE: 420a vs 4g63, dpark, May-09-03 05:05 PM, #14
                                                   RE: 420a vs 4g63, fauchpj, May-09-03 10:20 PM, #15
                                                   RE: 420a vs 4g63, dpark, May-10-03 07:55 PM, #16
                                                   RE: 420a vs 4g63, 96rs-t, May-09-03 10:29 PM, #17
Too slow??!!!???!!!!???!!! [View all]InFiNiT3May-10-03 05:28 PM
by juggalo
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Replies to this topic:
RE: Too slow??!!!???!!!!???!!!, euro_clipse, May-10-03 05:36 AM, #1
RE: Too slow??!!!???!!!!???!!!, 96eclipse2nr, May-10-03 07:40 AM, #2
      RE: Too slow??!!!???!!!!???!!!, Snail_GS, May-10-03 01:30 PM, #3
           RE: Too slow??!!!???!!!!???!!!, SlowEsi, May-10-03 03:31 PM, #4
           RE: Too slow??!!!???!!!!???!!!, juggalo, May-10-03 05:28 PM, #5
After 5er swap got speedo working but rpms jump and when clutch is engaged the rpms dont drop quickl... [View all]StealthRSRMay-10-03 03:13 PM0453 ---
Motor swap help... [View all]dzaVengeMay-10-03 12:19 PM
by MotoFool
2591 ---
Replies to this topic:
RE: Motor swap help..., Joe B Slow, May-09-03 06:03 AM, #1
RE: Motor swap help..., MotoFool, May-10-03 12:19 PM, #2
GSX Powertrain and Engine swap into GS? [View all]rameencoolMay-10-03 11:37 AM
by fauchpj
221641 ---
Replies to this topic:
RE: GSX Powertrain and Engine swap into GS?, BoostedGS, May-07-03 07:01 AM, #1
RE: GSX Powertrain and Engine swap into GS?, TeamMichael_97RS, May-07-03 07:08 AM, #2
RE: GSX Powertrain and Engine swap into GS?, Joshua97478, May-07-03 07:21 AM, #3
RE: GSX Powertrain and Engine swap into GS?, MotoFool, May-07-03 08:53 AM, #4
      RE: GSX Powertrain and Engine swap into GS?, Jasvb TS2K2, May-07-03 10:56 AM, #5
           RE: GSX Powertrain and Engine swap into GS?, HadesOmega, May-07-03 11:02 AM, #6
                RE: GSX Powertrain and Engine swap into GS?, rameencool, May-07-03 11:52 AM, #7
                     RE: GSX Powertrain and Engine swap into GS?, 98Turbo420A, May-07-03 03:18 PM, #8
                          RE: GSX Powertrain and Engine swap into GS?, ClipseRST, May-07-03 03:27 PM, #9
                               RE: GSX Powertrain and Engine swap into GS?, rameencool, May-07-03 06:51 PM, #10
                                    RE: GSX Powertrain and Engine swap into GS?, Vandy420a, May-07-03 09:40 PM, #11
                                         RE: GSX Powertrain and Engine swap into GS?, jasonhko, May-08-03 05:47 AM, #12
                                              RE: GSX Powertrain and Engine swap into GS?, rameencool, May-08-03 07:26 AM, #13
                                                   RE: GSX Powertrain and Engine swap into GS?, 98Talon, May-08-03 07:47 AM, #14
                                                        RE: GSX Powertrain and Engine swap into GS?, TeamXtremeRS, May-08-03 02:11 PM, #15
                                                             RE: GSX Powertrain and Engine swap into GS?, rameencool, May-08-03 06:04 PM, #16
                                                                  RE: GSX Powertrain and Engine swap into GS?, Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, May-08-03 08:07 PM, #17
                                                                       RE: GSX Powertrain and Engine swap into GS?, Blmet, May-08-03 08:51 PM, #18
                                                                       RE: GSX Powertrain and Engine swap into GS?, Uberingram, May-08-03 10:48 PM, #19
                                                                            RE: GSX Powertrain and Engine swap into GS?, TeamMichael_97RS, May-09-03 04:21 AM, #20
                                                                                 RE: GSX Powertrain and Engine swap into GS?, jasonhko, May-10-03 09:23 AM, #21
                                                                                      RE: GSX Powertrain and Engine swap into GS?, fauchpj, May-10-03 11:37 AM, #22
0wn3d! I REALLY need help... [View all]MmmDeionMay-10-03 10:53 AM
by InFiNiT3
212022 ---
Replies to this topic:
RE: 0wn3d! I REALLY need help..., Joe B Slow, May-06-03 09:42 AM, #1
RE: 0wn3d! I REALLY need help..., MmmDeion, May-06-03 09:55 AM, #2
      RE: 0wn3d! I REALLY need help..., Joe B Slow, May-06-03 09:59 AM, #3
           RE: 0wn3d! I REALLY need help..., a_miller_76, May-06-03 11:14 AM, #4
                RE: 0wn3d! I REALLY need help..., TeamDR1665, May-06-03 02:34 PM, #5
                     RE: 0wn3d! I REALLY need help..., CVedEclipse, May-06-03 03:00 PM, #6
                          RE: 0wn3d! I REALLY need help..., docta doom, May-07-03 05:47 AM, #7
                               RE: 0wn3d! I REALLY need help..., MmmDeion, May-07-03 05:45 PM, #8
                                    RE: 0wn3d! I REALLY need help..., run4cvr, May-07-03 06:12 PM, #9
                                    RE: 0wn3d! I REALLY need help..., Joe B Slow, May-07-03 07:24 PM, #10
                                    RE: 0wn3d! I REALLY need help..., HiOnPSI, May-07-03 07:29 PM, #11
                                    RE: 0wn3d! I REALLY need help..., MmmDeion, May-07-03 07:31 PM, #12
                                         RE: 0wn3d! I REALLY need help..., Joe B Slow, May-07-03 07:38 PM, #13
                                              RE: 0wn3d! I REALLY need help..., run4cvr, May-07-03 08:04 PM, #14
                                                   RE: 0wn3d! I REALLY need help..., MmmDeion, May-08-03 07:06 AM, #15
                                    RE: 0wn3d! I REALLY need help..., docta doom, May-09-03 05:01 AM, #16
                                         RE: 0wn3d! I REALLY need help..., Joe B Slow, May-09-03 05:58 AM, #17
                                              RE: 0wn3d! I REALLY need help..., TeamDR1665, May-09-03 01:30 PM, #18
                                                   RE: 0wn3d! I REALLY need help..., Joe B Slow, May-09-03 01:44 PM, #19
                                                        RE: 0wn3d! I REALLY need help..., TeamDR1665, May-09-03 03:11 PM, #20
RE: 0wn3d! I REALLY need help..., InFiNiT3, May-10-03 10:53 AM, #21
Removing A/C [View all]99SilverRSMay-10-03 09:59 AM
by SPL_Eclipse
5729 ---
Replies to this topic:
RE: Removing A/C, Dinkjs, May-09-03 08:05 PM, #1
RE: Removing A/C, ClipseRST, May-10-03 05:17 AM, #2
      RE: Removing A/C, Super20G, May-10-03 08:16 AM, #3
RE: Removing A/C, rydereclipse, May-10-03 09:00 AM, #4
RE: Removing A/C, SPL_Eclipse, May-10-03 09:59 AM, #5
Injector ques [View all]InFiNiT3May-10-03 08:03 AM
by Michael_97RS
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RE: Injector ques, TeamMichael_97RS, May-10-03 08:03 AM, #1
where is a good place to get 370cc injectors. [View all]AaronD95GSMay-10-03 07:55 AM
by Michael_97RS
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Replies to this topic:
RE: where is a good place to get 370cc injectors., GhEttOrAiD, May-10-03 01:11 AM, #1
RE: where is a good place to get 370cc injectors., TeamMichael_97RS, May-10-03 07:55 AM, #2
Header search [View all]black99gsMay-10-03 07:45 AM
by ScarFace19
7739 ---
Replies to this topic:
RE: Header search, juggalo, May-08-03 05:47 PM, #1
RE: Header search, distort, May-08-03 05:55 PM, #2
      RE: Header search, StealthRSR, May-09-03 04:55 AM, #3
RE: Header search, black99gs, May-10-03 05:11 AM, #4
RE: Header search, JWoodley, May-10-03 05:16 AM, #5
RE: Header search, ScarFace19, May-10-03 07:45 AM, #6
RE: Header search, drewkivela, May-10-03 07:02 AM, #7
SFMU Setup Help [View all]gs turboMay-10-03 04:35 AM
by XtremeRS
4690 ---
Replies to this topic:
RE: SFMU Setup Help, gs turbo, May-09-03 05:59 AM, #1
RE: SFMU Setup Help, Collente, May-09-03 06:09 AM, #2
      RE: SFMU Setup Help, gs turbo, May-09-03 07:32 AM, #3
           RE: SFMU Setup Help, TeamXtremeRS, May-10-03 04:35 AM, #4
Apexi N1 HP gains? [View all]invaznGSTMay-09-03 10:36 PM
by 96rs-t
4644 ---
Replies to this topic:
RE: Apexi N1 HP gains?, invaznGST, May-09-03 04:27 AM, #1
RE: Apexi N1 HP gains?, Dark Ringleader, May-09-03 05:14 AM, #2
      RE: Apexi N1 HP gains?, Remy, May-09-03 10:51 AM, #3
RE: Apexi N1 HP gains?, 96rs-t, May-09-03 10:36 PM, #4
crack in block [View all]juggaloMay-09-03 05:20 PM
by juggalo
10714 ---
Replies to this topic:
RE: crack in block, a_miller_76, May-07-03 03:39 AM, #1
RE: crack in block, TeamMichael_97RS, May-07-03 04:28 AM, #2
RE: crack in block, MotoFool, May-07-03 06:49 AM, #3
RE: crack in block, TeamXtremeRS, May-07-03 05:00 PM, #4
RE: crack in block, 95_ESi_Person, May-07-03 05:13 PM, #5
      RE: crack in block, Vandy420a, May-07-03 09:49 PM, #6
           RE: crack in block, The1Bill, May-07-03 09:53 PM, #7
                RE: crack in block, juggalo, May-08-03 02:32 AM, #8
                     RE: crack in block, mitsucar4, May-09-03 11:56 AM, #9
                          RE: crack in block, juggalo, May-09-03 05:20 PM, #10
Please help with engine overheating. [View all]fly1May-09-03 05:01 PM
by fly1
13900 ---
Replies to this topic:
RE: Please help with engine overheating., BlitzdEclipse99, May-05-03 06:00 PM, #1
RE: Please help with engine overheating., pn0ymahal, May-05-03 08:01 PM, #2
      RE: Please help with engine overheating., fly1, May-06-03 05:51 AM, #3
           RE: Please help with engine overheating., pn0ymahal, May-06-03 06:15 AM, #4
           RE: Please help with engine overheating., TeamMichael_97RS, May-06-03 06:16 AM, #5
           RE: Please help with engine overheating., Kirby, May-06-03 06:33 AM, #6
                RE: Please help with engine overheating., fly1, May-06-03 09:19 AM, #7
                     RE: Please help with engine overheating., Kirby, May-07-03 11:15 AM, #8
                          RE: Please help with engine overheating., fly1, May-07-03 05:40 PM, #9
                               RE: Please help with engine overheating., Kirby, May-08-03 09:58 AM, #10
                                    RE: Please help with engine overheating., TeamXtremeRS, May-08-03 01:59 PM, #11
                                         RE: Please help with engine overheating., Kiku, May-08-03 04:55 PM, #12
                                              RE: Please help with engine overheating., fly1, May-09-03 05:01 PM, #13
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