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streetlightningMay-23-10 06:11 PM
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#4891, "wiring up MS"
May-23-10 06:57 PM by streetlightning

          

Hi guys im wiring up my Ms. As some back ground, i removed the ECU aand the entire stock harness. I plan to run tis as full stand alone. I have the symtech Voltage regulator as well. i labeld and cut the connectors off of the harness to solder onto my MS harness, and im looking for some info on wire colors, i figure i could make a nice

Heres the ms setup



I plan on using GPO1/2 for my fan/fuel and asd relays. is this a correct usage?



Heres a pic of a few connectors. THe ones with ? marks mean i dont know if they are signal or reqire 5V, and i take it the "5 v vref" is what i use to power the crank and other sensors that require a voltage source? i also dont have the other "pin 31" that goes to the coil? is that normal? or is my harness a little messed up?
I figure the black with green stripe is Grouns, correct?


heres a pic of some more connectors.
are injecto 1 and 3 a pair? and do they belong to Inj 1 or inj 2.
As for the spedo sensor, which wire is signal, and which needs the 5v. and what do i connect the signal wire too? i dont see one on my harness. theres also a connector to the front of the trans, i dont think i need to do anything with that one? i think its my revers sensor?


I think these are pretty simple, my ? here is on the crank sensor, which is signal, which needs voltage.


thanx for any help! its a 97 crank sensor, i know the 95/96 had a slightly differnt one or connector type.

  

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adamztyMay-24-10 08:21 AM
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#4892, "RE: wiring up MS"
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May-24-10 08:22 AM by adamzty

          

Originally posted by streetlightningi take it the "5 v vref" is what i use to power the crank and other sensors that require a voltage source?

Yes, that will work fine.

Originally posted by streetlightningi also dont have the other "pin 31" that goes to the coil? is that normal? or is my harness a little messed up? I figure the black with green stripe is Grouns, correct?

Where did you get your harness from? Wherever you got it from should have a wiring diagram for it, or at least a wire color chart.

Originally posted by streetlightningare injecto 1 and 3 a pair? and do they belong to Inj 1 or inj 2.

Injectors 1 and 3 are a pair wired to bank 1 on the MS. 2 and 4 are a pair wired to bank 2.

Originally posted by streetlightningAs for the spedo sensor, which wire is signal, and which needs the 5v. and what do i connect the signal wire too? i dont see one on my harness.

The signal wire will go straight to speedo wire under the dash. I forget what color that wire is, if I had access to the FSM I would look it up for you.

Originally posted by streetlightningtheres also a connector to the front of the trans, i dont think i need to do anything with that one? i think its my revers sensor?

Yes, reverse sensor. You will have to wire it to your reverse lights if you want them to work.

Originally posted by streetlightningI think these are pretty simple, my ? here is on the crank sensor, which is signal, which needs voltage.thanx for any help! its a 97 crank sensor, i know the 95/96 had a slightly differnt one or connector type.

I cannot see your pics here, they are blocked. The signal wire for the crank sensor is the blue/white one in the stock connector. I believe it's the middle pin. You may want to run a shielded wire here to get a better tach signal. The 2 outside pins are 5v and ground.

Good luck!

  

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740 turbo brickMay-24-10 10:44 AM
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#4893, "RE: wiring up MS"
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The reverse lights will work on their own without any modification. As will the stock Coolant temp gauge and fuel level gauge.


95 Eclipse GS: 10.5:1, Crower 2's and MSII
186 WHP - 150 WTQ
14.697 @ 93.85 MPH......Gone, but not forgotten
99 420A Avenger: Given to my sister
99 GS OZ: Sold
03 Evo 8: Family Car with balls

  

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streetlightningMay-24-10 11:06 AM
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#4894, "RE: wiring up MS"
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thank you for the help! im sure ill have more ?S lol
as for harness, brand new from symtech.. so does it appear they may have forggoten to add the other wire for the coil?

  

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adamztyMay-24-10 02:58 PM
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#4895, "RE: wiring up MS"
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Originally posted by 740 turbo brick
The reverse lights will work on their own without any modification. As will the stock Coolant temp gauge and fuel level gauge.


Not if he removed the entire stock engine wiring harness. The fuel gauge will still work though.

  

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740 turbo brickMay-24-10 10:18 PM
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#4896, "RE: wiring up MS"
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Hmm, good call I missed that part. You might be boned then. I was contemplating removing the entire harness. It would look clean but it was like 8 times more work involved.


95 Eclipse GS: 10.5:1, Crower 2's and MSII
186 WHP - 150 WTQ
14.697 @ 93.85 MPH......Gone, but not forgotten
99 420A Avenger: Given to my sister
99 GS OZ: Sold
03 Evo 8: Family Car with balls

  

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streetlightningMay-27-10 11:33 AM
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#4897, "RE: wiring up MS"
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May-28-10 07:24 AM by streetlightning

          

i do have the pinout supplied by Symtech, but its missing the pin 31, it has pin 36, but no 31 and ive tried to call and email symtech to no avail.. i cant really wait around : ( should i add the pin myself?

symtech emaailed me back and said pin 31 is labeld IAC.. i have an iac 2 B, is this the right wire? the wires they call out state " pin 36 and pin 31" i have a brown wire labeld pin 36, so i figure there would be one that says pin 31...? they said the right wire might be green with a white stripe..? ne info

  

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streetlightningMay-29-10 01:14 AM
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#4898, "RE: wiring up MS"
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May-29-10 01:36 AM by streetlightning

          

making some progress lol. as for the crank i dont have wires in it and i was searching on here but theres no clear refence to what pins = what..

so far i have the TPS, VSS, crank and iac to wire up..so if anyones got a pino out for those..that be great.

also since i have no stock harness, do i need to feed the TPS and Coil 12V? or a 5v refernce?

  

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streetlightningMay-30-10 01:50 PM
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#4899, "RE: wiring up MS"
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can some one verify

Crank
Pin 1: Yello 8v Refernce ------5 Volts Vref from Ms
Pin 2: Black /Green- ground ---GROUND
Pin 3: Blue whgiite: signal---- IGN from Ms (shielded wire)

VSS:
Yellow: 8v Refernce ------5 Volts Vref from Ms
Black /green - ground ---GROUND
Yellow/white tach signal ---goes under dash to white tach wire

TPS
BROWN / RED- Signal ----tPS SIGNAL ON ms
Green yellow- 5v power ------5 Volts Vref from Ms

cOIL:
BROWN: coil 2-4 -----brown wire on Ms
BLack/blue Coils 1/3 -----green / white stripe wire on Ms
Black red - 12V or ASD relay. ----12 V or wire this to the ASD relay ill have to build?

It says brown on ms diagram to coil 2-3, shouldnt it be, 2-4? and same for the other wire, where it says 1-4, shouldn't it be 1-3?

IAC
this one idk, shouldnt there be a power and ground? or is this just resistance based?

Green / Blue Iac pin 2
Orange/blue Iac pin 3

  

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streetlightningJun-02-10 10:55 PM
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#4903, "RE: wiring up MS"
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Can anyone help me verify its wired correctly?

Can i use one relay triggerd off ignition to power my alt, ms, fuel pump, injector 12v and coil 12v?

  

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VelocitaPaolaJun-03-10 08:13 AM
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#4904, "RE: wiring up MS"
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Originally posted by streetlightning
Crank
Pin 1: Yello 8v Refernce ------5 Volts Vref from Ms
Pin 2: Black /Green- ground ---GROUND
Pin 3: Blue whgiite: signal---- IGN from Ms (shielded wire)

Correct.


Originally posted by streetlightning
VSS:
Yellow: 8v Refernce ------5 Volts Vref from Ms
Black /green - ground ---GROUND
Yellow/white tach signal ---goes under dash to white tach wire

The VSS shouldn't be providing a signal to the tachometer, it should only provide a signal to the speedometer. Modify your schemata so this wire connects to the yellow/white wire under the dash.

In the pictures of the documentation you have, there's no indication your Megasquirt ECU has a specific tachometer output circuit. You will either have to have one added, or you can use a GPO, but you may (or may not) have to add a 1k ohm pullup resistor. Then, connect the appropriate wire in your Megasquirt ECU's harness to the white wire under the dash.


Originally posted by streetlightning
TPS
BROWN / RED- Signal ----tPS SIGNAL ON ms
Green yellow- 5v power ------5 Volts Vref from Ms

Correct, but this sensor also needs to be grounded... the wire is black/green.


Originally posted by streetlightning
cOIL:
BROWN: coil 2-4 -----brown wire on Ms
BLack/blue Coils 1/3 -----green / white stripe wire on Ms
Black red - 12V or ASD relay. ----12 V or wire this to the ASD relay ill have to build?

It says brown on ms diagram to coil 2-3, shouldnt it be, 2-4? and same for the other wire, where it says 1-4, shouldn't it be 1-3?

Piston's one and four are at top dead center while pistons two and three are at bottom dead center. The documentation you have is correct and your assumption is incorrect. If you modify your schemata to match the documentation, this portion will be correct.


Originally posted by streetlightning
IAC
this one idk, shouldnt there be a power and ground? or is this just resistance based?
Green / Blue Iac pin 2
Orange/blue Iac pin 3

The 2G N/T DSM IAC has four connections, none of which are explicitly for power or ground. Like the tachometer output, the documentation you have does not indicate your Megasquirt ECU has the stepper motor IAC circuit installed. It may be possible to have this circuit installed, but judging by everything else you have installed, it doesn't look like there's much room for it.

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-Paul

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