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MrSlickSep-21-04 02:45 PM
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#236, "Megasquirt - What it can do..."




          

Alright, I've been kinda quiet of late... that's becuase I've been working on some very special development code for the Megasquirt...
Well the big news is this:

We now have code that will deocode and use the factory Crank Position Sensor...

What does this mean? Quite simply the Megasquirt will be able to run full fuel and full ignition control! Using the stock crank sensor!

Along with this new code and hardware mods come the following features:

1.) Full fuel control - 2 x 8x8 fuel tables, soon to be 2 x 12x12 tables.
2.) Full Ignition control - 2 x 12x12 spark tables, selectable during operation.
3.) Launch control - variable 2 step launch control / studder box system.
4.) Target AFR - closed loop control under boost using a wideband o2.
5.) Knock detection - Detect and respond to knock, programable ignition retard.
6.) Overboost protection
7.) Boost Control
8.) Fan Control - Programmable
9.) Shift Light
10.) Nitrous control - Dry and Wet
11.) Anti-Lag control
12.) Water injection control
13.) Temperature Compensation - Of course!

The Ignition feature is still undergoing testing and development... the Crank decoding code is running on my car as we speak, with full ignition to be tested in a few days. All the other features have been tested and are present and working.
Soon I will also be working on testing a 3 Bar MAP sensor and setting it up for use in the code...

I thought I would let everyone in on what was coming int he very near future, so that people could make an informed decision about what to do with their fuel system.
This post is not aimed at derailing any other fuel systems... in fact for some people I would suggest they go with something simpler...
While you do not have to be a rocket scientist to run a Megasquirt... it is not for everyone.

If anyone has any questions on the Megasquirt system feel free to contact me via email:
turbo2gnt@gmail.com

And I am currently taking orders for Megasquirts also.

Discuss.

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Megasquirt powered 420A
Custom turbo system

http://www.ms-custom.com

  

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Teamdougie2Sep-20-04 05:42 PM
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#237, "RE: Megasquirt - What it can do..."
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I want to be the first to thank you for these great developements and contributions to the 420A community. This is some of the coolest shit to happen in a long-ass time. This means that we'll finally be able to make some BIG power with the 420A.

The ignition control, 3-bar MAP sensor, and 12x12 tables are very important to me. As soon as these are fully operational I'm sold on it.

Actually, I'm very interested in helping test these new components. I have extensive modifications and may be able to contribute in some way. Let me know what you currently have available for sale.

Great job!



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MrSlickSep-20-04 05:46 PM
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#238, "RE: Megasquirt - What it can do..."
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Originally posted by dougie2
I want to be the first to thank you for these great developements and contributions to the 420A community. This is some of the coolest shit to happen in a long-ass time. This means that we'll finally be able to make some BIG power with the 420A. The ignition control, 3-bar MAP sensor, and 12x12 tables are very important to me. As soon as these are fully operational I'm sold on it. Actually, I'm very interested in helping test these new components. I have extensive modifications and may be able to contribute in some way. Let me know what you currently have available for sale. Great job!


Thanks for the vote of confidence dougie.

The ignition control and 12x12 tables will be here very soon, and probably before the 3 bar map sensor... partly because I dont have a 3 bar map to test with yet... I need to get one.

As far as how you can help, let me know what you have in mind...
Also, my stocks are low right now, and parts are being ordered.
I may have 1 or 2 MS units that are not spoken for... but they will go very quickly. After that it will be first come first served on the new batch coming...

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Custom turbo system

http://www.ms-custom.com

  

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BlueMoonEclipseSep-20-04 05:58 PM
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#239, "RE: Megasquirt - What it can do..."
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Best thing is that if you allready have MS in your car when MS2 comes out...its prety much snap out old chip...in with the new

That and since its open source it continuosly keeps geting improoved upon by people like Slick


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CrashedMaxSep-21-04 01:09 PM
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#240, "RE: Megasquirt - What it can do..."
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These can be used in other cars also right? Like if I install one in my Eclipse, but I plan on selling it in 2-3 years to buy a BMW, could I run the MS in the BMW?

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KirbySep-21-04 01:12 PM
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#241, "RE: Megasquirt - What it can do..."
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Sep-21-04 01:16 PM by Kirby



          

I like the looks of all of this new info, and I think I will make this upgrade at some point as well. My only question goes back to the whole big injector issue. Do you have to run an insainly low fuel pressure to idle them or are you controlling it all through pulsewidth with the ms? I also want to thank you for the developement on this system. I still believe the EIC is a great and worthwile system, but for my future power goals it seems the upgrade is inevetable. (SP?)
Also is the MS capable of using any wideband O2?



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Teamdougie2Sep-21-04 01:42 PM
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#242, "RE: Megasquirt - What it can do..."
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Sep-21-04 01:43 PM by dougie2



          

>>My only question goes back to the whole big injector issue. Do
>>you have to run an insainly low fuel pressure to idle them or are
>>you controlling it all through pulsewidth with the ms?

The MS controls injector pulsewidth so you can run whatever fuel pressure you want, within reason. I'm running the Accel DFI and RC 720cc peak/hold injectors and my base fuel pressure is 45 PSI. MS can do the same thing just fine.

>>Also is the MS capable of using any wideband O2?

I think you'll need the MS2 for that. I know the UltraMS is supposed to take it a step further and have drivers for Lambda sensors.



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MrSlickSep-21-04 02:33 PM
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#243, "RE: Megasquirt - What it can do..."
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I'm running 780cc injectors on my 2.0 420A.
I have static idle fuel pressure set at 43.5 psi.

With the Megasquirt you run normal fuel pressures... that's what it's designed for.

As far as Wideband, yes you can use a wideband with the normal MS.
Any normal wideband controller that can outpout a 5v wideband voltage can be used. I'm using a TechEdge v2.0 with my MS...

With the latest code you can even do "Target AFR" basically you tell it what AFR you want to run... and it adjusts closed loop under boost if you want it to... You still need the VE table pretty close though obviously.

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http://www.ms-custom.com

  

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siueclipseSep-22-04 04:24 AM
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#244, "RE: Megasquirt - What it can do..."
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One question: How many points of fuel curve calibration does the MS offer?



  

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MrSlickSep-22-04 05:13 AM
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#245, "RE: Megasquirt - What it can do..."
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Originally posted by siueclipse
One question: How many points of fuel curve calibration does the MS offer?


The code right now offers 8x8 tables...
Very soon it will offer 12x12 tables.

Now of course MS interpolates between these points...

And yes, an 8x8 table is enough points to tune a turbocharged motor... If anyone says otherwise then I'd like to hear their arguments for it!

Any other questions?

Oh and Siu, one other advantage over the PF is that with the MS you can make changes on the fly, whilst running... with the PF as far as I know this is not possible.

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siueclipseSep-22-04 05:20 AM
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#246, "RE: Megasquirt - What it can do..."
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you can make changes on the fly with the PF. one advantage that the Pf has over MS now.. the PF can do over 4000 points of adjustment to the fuel curve.

if im reading your statement right.. it seems that the MS can only do 64 points of adjustment.



  

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