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widebodiedSep-19-04 06:40 AM
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#9797, "high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"




          

as you know, i picked up a 93 talon awd.
i think my future mod list is as follows

tubular manifold
t-60-1 bb turbo
720cc injectors
walbro 190
safc
hks cams
hks gears
custom ic piping
hks ssq bov
hks tt
spearco fmic
udp for everything
maybe a 4 bolt rear in the future
95 diamate brake upgrade
kyb shocks
proline springs
18x8.5 wheels

what am im lacking, within the next month, imma soon start stacking parts for this beast.


DWAYNE H
1996 eclipse
under construction widebody eclipse, targa top, 19inch rollers, big brakes, 10 point custom cage, frank 2.4 hrc s20g turbo, custom marble paint job

2000 Yamaha R-1, 165rwhp 117 ftlbs tq

ALMOST THERE...... MUWHAHAHAHAHAHA

Originally posted by etx(SIUECLIPSE)
Yeah right. He is making 380fwhp with ebay hoses and the HRC 2.25" clamp on downpipe attached to his stock exhaust. And a SFMU, LOL! You should be maimed and beaten you fucking liar.

  

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RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, DSMTunerS95, Sep-16-04 03:29 AM, #1
RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, widebodied, Sep-16-04 03:38 AM, #2
      RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, TeamJeff_99gs, Sep-16-04 03:41 AM, #3
      RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, DSMTunerS95, Sep-16-04 04:04 AM, #5
      RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, DSMTunerS95, Sep-16-04 04:02 AM, #4
           RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, BigBald, Sep-16-04 04:58 AM, #6
           RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, TeamJeff_99gs, Sep-16-04 05:42 AM, #7
                RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, BigBald, Sep-16-04 05:56 AM, #8
                RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, DSMTunerS95, Sep-16-04 06:03 AM, #9
                     RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, BigBald, Sep-16-04 06:13 AM, #10
                          RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, DSMTunerS95, Sep-16-04 09:55 AM, #14
                               RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, DSMTunerS95, Sep-16-04 09:57 AM, #15
RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, Vandy420a, Sep-16-04 07:21 AM, #11
RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, BigBald, Sep-16-04 08:42 AM, #12
      RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, widebodied, Sep-16-04 09:50 AM, #13
           RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, BigBald, Sep-16-04 10:25 AM, #16
           RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, HybriDSM, Sep-16-04 10:25 AM, #17
                RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, JReynosa, Sep-16-04 03:30 PM, #18
                     RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, 98Talon, Sep-16-04 09:51 PM, #19
                          RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, DSMTunerS95, Sep-17-04 03:15 AM, #20
                               RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, BigBald, Sep-17-04 04:52 AM, #21
                                    RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, Vandy420a, Sep-17-04 06:43 AM, #22
                                         RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, HybriDSM, Sep-17-04 07:17 AM, #23
                                              RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, BigBald, Sep-17-04 08:27 AM, #24
                                                   RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, TeamJeff_99gs, Sep-17-04 08:59 AM, #25
                                                        RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, BigBald, Sep-17-04 09:44 AM, #26
                                                             RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, Vandy420a, Sep-17-04 01:39 PM, #27
                                                                  RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, 98Talon, Sep-17-04 04:17 PM, #28
                                                                       RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, DSMTunerS95, Sep-17-04 05:24 PM, #29
                                                                       RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, BigBald, Sep-18-04 05:08 AM, #30
                                                                            RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, 98Talon, Sep-18-04 09:34 AM, #31
                                                                                 RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, AdministratorStar Turbo Talon, Sep-18-04 06:50 PM, #32
                                                                                      RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, widebodied, Sep-18-04 08:27 PM, #33
                                                                                           RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, HybriDSM, Sep-18-04 09:07 PM, #34
                                                                                                RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, AdministratorStar Turbo Talon, Sep-18-04 09:44 PM, #35
                                                                                                RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, TeamJeff_99gs, Sep-19-04 06:46 AM, #36
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                                                                                                          RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, BigBald, Sep-19-04 11:08 AM, #38
                                                                                                               RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, widebodied, Sep-20-04 03:17 AM, #39
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                                                                                                                    RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, HybriDSM, Sep-20-04 07:36 AM, #41
                                                                                                RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, Vandy420a, Sep-20-04 12:39 PM, #42
                                                                                                     RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, 98Talon, Sep-20-04 10:38 PM, #43
                                                                                                          RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, Initial DSM, Sep-24-04 08:51 AM, #44
                                                                                                               RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, HybriDSM, Sep-24-04 10:08 AM, #45
                                                                                                                    RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, Initial DSM, Sep-24-04 10:42 AM, #46
                                                                                                                         RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?, HybriDSM, Sep-24-04 11:15 AM, #47

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#9798, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Originally posted by widebodied
as you know, i picked up a 93 talon awd. i think my future mod list is as follows tubular manifold t-60-1 bb turbo 720cc injectors walbro 190 safc hks cams hks gears custom ic piping hks ssq bov hks tt spearco fmic udp for everything maybe a 4 bolt rear in the future 95 diamate brake upgrade kyb shocks proline springs 18x8.5 wheels what am im lacking, within the next month, imma soon start stacking parts for this beast. DWAYNE H 1996 eclipse under construction widebody eclipse, targa top, 19inch rollers, big brakes, 10 point custom cage, frank 2.4 hrc s20g turbo, custom marble paint job 2000 Yamaha R-1, 165rwhp 117 ftlbs tq ALMOST THERE...... MUWHAHAHAHAHAHA
Originally posted by etx(SIUECLIPSE) Yeah right. He is making 380fwhp with ebay hoses and the HRC 2.25" clamp on downpipe attached to his stock exhaust. And a SFMU, LOL! You should be maimed and beaten you fucking liar.




Whats up Dwayne, don't know if you remember me but i bought the 420a motor from you a long time ago, and since long gotten rid of the RS and have a 92 awd talon and since gotten 12.42@114 with a b16g and race gas, but here are my suggestions.

drop the 190, get a 255hp
unless you plan on stroking the 2.0, dont get a 60-1 the spool up is horrible, you can easily attain 11's with a SCM50 from pte or a gt32e from pte. your going to have a hard time controlling 720's with just an s-afc, im using a GM-MAF along with an s-afc to control my 780's. Don't worry about getting cam gears, all you'll need is the cams i reccommend the 272/272's, a 4 bolt rear is going to be a MUST you'll break it in half making any decent ammount of power. your also forgetting a clutch, ACT 2600 is the best around, a lightweight flywheel is nice too, i have the XACT pro-lite and i love it. id reconsider the 18's unless there gonna be really light, might as well just get 17's. also i reccomend H&R springs over Eibach, the H&R's perform better and are alot more comfortable than the eibachs, i have the eibach streets and they ride like ass. those are just a few of my suggestions. hit me up on aim and we can talk more if u want DSMTuners95

  

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#9799, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Sep-16-04 03:39 AM by widebodied



          

good suggestions, did i mention the 60-1 in bb trim, spool is something crazy like fullboost by 3300 rpms.

i was thinking of picking up a used 20g and a ported 2g manifold for the mean while.

yea the gm-maf, can u elaborate a bit,

DWAYNE H
1996 eclipse
under construction widebody eclipse, targa top, 19inch rollers, big brakes, 10 point custom cage, frank 2.4 hrc s20g turbo, custom marble paint job

2000 Yamaha R-1, 165rwhp 117 ftlbs tq

ALMOST THERE...... MUWHAHAHAHAHAHA

Originally posted by etx(SIUECLIPSE)
Yeah right. He is making 380fwhp with ebay hoses and the HRC 2.25" clamp on downpipe attached to his stock exhaust. And a SFMU, LOL! You should be maimed and beaten you fucking liar.

  

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#9800, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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The 93 already has a 4 bolt.

You will need a Walbro 255 for a turbo that size. You can run low 12s to high 11's on a Big 16G though quite easily.

You won't need the cam gears.

etc, etc. Do lots of research. You don't need half the parts you suggested, and most of the ones you did get right aren't quite right


Search lots!

  

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#9801, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Originally posted by Jeff_99gs
The 93 already has a 4 bolt.


DURRR I forgot about that lol, just him making it sound like having a 3 bolt made me say that.

Also dwayne, the 92 and up already have 11' rotors and DPC's i really dont think u should bother with the brake upgrade.

  

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#9802, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Originally posted by widebodied
good suggestions, did i mention the 60-1 in bb trim, spool is something crazy like fullboost by 3300 rpms. i was thinking of picking up a used 20g and a ported 2g manifold for the mean while. yea the gm-maf, can u elaborate a bit, .



Ball Bearing really dosnt improve spool up at all, on a 60-1 even if it was ball bearing, u wouldnt see full boost till near 4500rpm.

Your best bet is the SCM50 it can be had for 850 shipped brand new and is proven and an incredible turbo full boost around 3500-3700 and flows a great deal. BTW it loves pump gas, people well tuned run 25lbs on 93 octane. I've been able to manage running 23 with less than 2 counts of knock.

Ramchargers sells a GM-MAF and Translator setup for our cars, its a blow through style, which flows ALOT more than our stock mas, it also allows you to vent the bov which is a big thing for some people lol.

  

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#9803, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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SCM 50 Trim
FMIC w/ Piping and Upgraded BOV
Upgraded Clutch (most use the ACT Series CLutches)
650cc Injectors (altho you could get away with 550s)
Walboro 255lph HP Fuel Pump
Aeromotive AFPR (This is optional...but alot of people recommend it)
GM Maf w/ Translator (not needed but if you want to vent you will need this)
Boost Gauge & EGT Gauge
Upgraded Suspension (I recommend Full Coilovers(I have Teins))
2.5" Downpipe w/ Cat Eliminator(you can use 3" if you like)
3" Cat-Back Exhaust
Either a Stand Alone or SAFC-2(your Choice)
if you go with SAFC-2 go with either the VPC chip or KEydiver Chip is you have a EPROM. If you don't have one....get one.

That will get you into the 11s with some ease. Driving and tuning will play a roll in it but for the most part you are gauranteed 11s. You do not need Cams (good louck finding HKS anyway), no brake upgrade,no gears or any of the other stuff. Hit me up on AIM if you need assistance.

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1997 GST - Drive
1995 GST - Who the hell knows

  

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#9804, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Originally posted by DSMTunerS95
Ball Bearing really dosnt improve spool up at all, on a 60-1 even if it was ball bearing, u wouldnt see full boost till near 4500rpm.



Woah more misinformation! I LOVE this forum!

HybriDSM has a Ball Bearing 60-1 on his 91 GSX. He hits full boost around 3500rpm if not sooner. Ball bearing absolutely helps spool-up time. I would know because I built the damn car and drove it. He will chirp in at some point with comments I am sure.

Also the MAFT can run in blow-through and pull-through. Either way it flows much better than a 2G MAF.

  

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#9805, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Originally posted by Jeff_99gs
Originally posted by DSMTunerS95
Also the MAFT can run in blow-through and pull-through. Either way it flows much better than a 2G MAF.


I will be switching over to that setup soon.

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#9806, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Originally posted by Jeff_99gs
Originally posted by DSMTunerS95
Ball Bearing really dosnt improve spool up at all, on a 60-1 even if it was ball bearing, u wouldnt see full boost till near 4500rpm.
Woah more misinformation! I LOVE this forum! HybriDSM has a Ball Bearing 60-1 on his 91 GSX. He hits full boost around 3500rpm if not sooner. Ball bearing absolutely helps spool-up time. I would know because I built the damn car and drove it. He will chirp in at some point with comments I am sure. Also the MAFT can run in blow-through and pull-through. Either way it flows much better than a 2G MAF.



My friend had an SCM61 (57 trim) non ball bearing, didnt hit full boost until near 4500, a 60-1 is larger and flows less than a 57 trim, ball bearing helps with spool, but not enough to drop it from 4500 to 3500, ball bearing is used for transient boost drops, not to dramatically decrease spool time.

  

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#9807, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Originally posted by DSMTunerS95
My friend had an SCM61 (57 trim) non ball bearing, didnt hit full boost until near 4500, a 60-1 is larger and flows less than a 57 trim, ball bearing helps with spool, but not enough to drop it from 4500 to 3500, ball bearing is used for transient boost drops, not to dramatically decrease spool time.


I was told this same thing by RRE, Pruven Performance and other shops but everytime I say that I am told i spread wrong information. I am not doubting when Hybrid sees full bost, however the reason he says it is another story.

Either way BB turbo is not needed to it 11s and it is considered a high maintenace turbo anyway. Get either a 50 or 60 Trim which are considered friendly pump gas turbos and you will be fine.

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#9808, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Originally posted by BigBald
Originally posted by DSMTunerS95 My friend had an SCM61 (57 trim) non ball bearing, didnt hit full boost until near 4500, a 60-1 is larger and flows less than a 57 trim, ball bearing helps with spool, but not enough to drop it from 4500 to 3500, ball bearing is used for transient boost drops, not to dramatically decrease spool time.
I was told this same thing by RRE, Pruven Performance and other shops but everytime I say that I am told i spread wrong information. I am not doubting when Hybrid sees full bost, however the reason he says it is another story. Either way BB turbo is not needed to it 11s and it is considered a high maintenace turbo anyway. Get either a 50 or 60 Trim which are considered friendly pump gas turbos and you will be fine.


Exactly, ive been told by numerous places that build turbos that a ball bearing design actually dosnt help spool up AT ALL, but no one wants to believe anyone because its the biggest spread of misinformation ever.

  

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#9809, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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if its a stock 93 , its a 7 bolt, you can go to the www.vfaq.com and it will show you how to determine it

I'm also going to disagree with you on the flywheel, yes the less inertial mass is a factor, but the motor revs so much faster, and i have NEVER bogged on a launch, light weight flywheel makes a huge difference in how fast the car revs, try spinning something that weighs like 25lbs vs something that weighs 11lbs and get gback with me.

  

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#9810, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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i'm siding with jeff on this one (not that anyone cares). A bb turbo is designed to reduce spoolup time as much as possible, although the size of the turbine in relation to the compressor wheel makes a bigger difference.

as for 11's, ditch the 18's, got for a 255lph (HP model will be fine), lose the UDP's, port the hell out of whatever turbo you get, avoid sharp bends in your "custom" IC pipes, 3" turboback exhaust sans cat, ditch the lightened flywheel <--- that's more for road racing, when dragging the lower inertia from the lightened flywheel translates to bog when launching....and use the rest of the money for tuning and rebuilding the tranny, which is bound to break eventually doing quarter mile pulls with the kind of power you are going to be making.

Also, you may want to consider a rebuild now if the compression is marginal, before you build up a monster just to have it run like crap at the track.

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#9811, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Originally posted by Vandy420a
i'm siding with jeff on this one (not that anyone cares). A bb turbo is designed to reduce spoolup time as much as possible, although the size of the turbine in relation to the compressor wheel makes a bigger difference.


Who told you that? The guys at Pruven Performance said the the design of that turbo is so you WILL NOT loose too much boost between shifts. There were post made on various boards from guys who brought BB turbos and complained their spool time did not change. I guess its really depends on who you decide to believe or what "story" you heard first.

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1995 GST - Who the hell knows

  

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#9812, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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hrmm, good info here, so my 93 does have the 4 bolt rear huh, i looked at it and said vicous lsd, sounds mean, lol

so a 20g, and a ported 2g manny, fmic, big injectors, big pump should get me there eh?

i know the motor has been replaced and theres a act clutch in there. anyway i can identify the motor? ( 6 bolt, 7bolt)

DWAYNE H
1996 eclipse
under construction widebody eclipse, targa top, 19inch rollers, big brakes, 10 point custom cage, frank 2.4 hrc s20g turbo, custom marble paint job

2000 Yamaha R-1, 165rwhp 117 ftlbs tq

ALMOST THERE...... MUWHAHAHAHAHAHA

Originally posted by etx(SIUECLIPSE)
Yeah right. He is making 380fwhp with ebay hoses and the HRC 2.25" clamp on downpipe attached to his stock exhaust. And a SFMU, LOL! You should be maimed and beaten you fucking liar.

  

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#9813, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Originally posted by widebodied
hrmm, good info here, so my 93 does have the 4 bolt rear huh, i looked at it and said vicous lsd, sounds mean, lol so a 20g, and a ported 2g manny, fmic, big injectors, big pump should get me there eh? i know the motor has been replaced and theres a act clutch in there. anyway i can identify the motor? ( 6 bolt, 7bolt)


Unless you have a 20g laying around, I would get another turbo. For the price you pay for a new 20g you can get a far better turbo for at or around that price. If you want a good pump gas turbo these are the turbos to look into RS49, FPGreen, FP3052, SCM50....those are all proven turbos for around the same price as a 20g new.

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1997 GST - Drive
1995 GST - Who the hell knows

  

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#9814, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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14bs have gotten people into the bottom half of the 11's. Also, please please please please please please research for a long long long long long long time before you buy anything. Please. Drive the car for a while to get a feel for it

OK you don't need cam gears (HKS come prepped for the stockers), you don't need aftermarket pullies (waste of $), you don't need a tubular manifold (unless looks are super important a 2g ported will be just fine for you), you need a 255 FP (rewired of course), you don't need an HKSSSQ BOV (a cheaper Greddy will be just fine), and you shouldn't get 18s (get some meaty 16x8's and thick tires and use that AWD for all it's worth).

Also suspension wise: I am no expert, but in my opinion, there is no better combo for a 1g than KYB AGX's and DSS Coilovers. They seem to fit the car perfectly n every way.

Also, I have the GM MAF/MAFT blow though setup. It reads more air than a 2g MAF and with it blow through, there is no messing with a BOV return tube which is one less thing to worry about. It's also tunable but generally you'll zero it out for your injectors and leave it alone in the engine bay.

As for the BB turbo thing: I have the 60-1 BB and it spools almost like a 14b. I hit 20 PSI right at 3500 rpm, and I have stock displacement and stock compression (basically). Whatever you think about spool time and who you think is right, I think that at the end of the day, BB is better and frees up alot more powerband. The argument is dumb. In my personal experience, I have faster spool than turbos with smaller wheels and a conventional bearing. That's my own personal experience so take it for what it's worth.



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#9815, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Sep-16-04 03:34 PM by JReynosa

          

Here some good reference sites with upgrade paths:
http://buschurracing.com/upgrade.html
http://www.dsmtuners.com/tuning-guide/1gturbo/
http://www.roadraceengineering.com/2gupgradepath.htm
http://www.machv.com/goinfasenand.html

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#9816, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Get a 16G, some injectors, a fuel pump, AFC, big exhaust/downpipe, and spray the fuck out of it. Hello deep 11's. I did a 12.1 with 16G, 3" turbo-back, Fuel pump, and wet nitrous kit in my GS-T.

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#9817, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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most of people dont desire to spray a stock motor along with a turbo, nor do they need it, people have gone 11's on a 16g with no spray, its not all common, but its attainable. no reason to spray imo , money better spent on an SCM50 or equivalent new 16g = 575 , wet nitrous kit = not sure but at least 300-350, which is more than teh cost of a nice scm50 or equivalent

  

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#9818, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Originally posted by DSMTunerS95
most of people dont desire to spray a stock motor along with a turbo, nor do they need it, people have gone 11's on a 16g with no spray, its not all common, but its attainable. no reason to spray imo , money better spent on an SCM50 or equivalent new 16g = 575 , wet nitrous kit = not sure but at least 300-350, which is more than teh cost of a nice scm50 or equivalent


agreed. Unless you can get the kit at a good price used. But i would hit the 11s w/o spray imo.

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#9819, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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anyone else heard the same thing about lightened flywheels and drag racing? (i.e. the ligheter you go, the worse it is b/c of bog at launch).....

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#9820, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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One school of thought is that because there is so much realtive rotational intertia, small mistakes in lauch mistake are magnified significantly because instead of dropping 50 rm for a mistake, the same mistake costs you 500 rpm. I.E. with such fluid revving, it is easier to "bog" by losing your rpm on launch.

The theory is fairly sound, and a lightened flywheel takes alot of practice. I am terrible with mine so far.



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#9821, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Yes i heard and yes it is true....but i have a 6000 rpm stutter so there is no way i am bogging down....lol. The lighter you go the higher you will need to launch.

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#9822, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Next person to say something along the lines of "spray the fuck out of it" gets banned

  

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#9823, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Originally posted by Jeff_99gs
Next person to say something along the lines of "spray the fuck out of it" gets banned


so you are against the juice?.....lol.

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#9824, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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clearly the best plan of attack is getting a 2g manifold and bolting up a t-25; then hooking up the largest bottle of "NOS" you can find......

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#9825, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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I want to know what's wrong with nitrous? It's a very viable way to go faster in your car, and is relatively safe if you do everything correctly. It's good enough for John Shepherd but it's not good enough for you Jeff?

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#9826, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Originally posted by 98Talon
I want to know what's wrong with nitrous? It's a very viable way to go faster in your car, and is relatively safe if you do everything correctly. It's good enough for John Shepherd but it's not good enough for you Jeff?


john shepard isnt an amatuer, nor is he running on stock internals, comparing an average dsmer to john shepard is just stupid.

  

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#9827, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Originally posted by 98Talon
I want to know what's wrong with nitrous? It's a very viable way to go faster in your car, and is relatively safe if you do everything correctly. It's good enough for John Shepherd but it's not good enough for you Jeff?



The n/a people think that turbo is cheating.......the turbo people think that nitrous is cheating...its a never ending battle between those three.....

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#9828, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Yep, the guy with a '99 GSX with B16G and an assload of other shit thought I was cheating when he got beat by a car I had $2500 in too, but oh well, fuck him. I still took his money that night.

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#9829, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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i would use your 14b for a while. Friend of mine has his at 20psi right now untill he gets a little better fuel setup.

As for cams.....if you insist on HKS call automotosports (arlington heights IL)...they have a shit load in their glass case i saw them this past thursday. Or better yet look up forced performance. They have designed a cam to be better than the 272/264 combo. There is a lot of talk on them right now on Chicago DSM. Good luck

You have a 6 bolt motor! Not sure if someone answered that

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#9830, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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how much boost can i run on a stock fuel setup?

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Originally posted by etx(SIUECLIPSE)
Yeah right. He is making 380fwhp with ebay hoses and the HRC 2.25" clamp on downpipe attached to his stock exhaust. And a SFMU, LOL! You should be maimed and beaten you fucking liar.

  

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#9831, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Sep-18-04 09:13 PM by HybriDSM

          

stock as in no afc fuel pump or anything at all?

I'll recommend no more than 14 psi on the stock turbo. Maybe I missed something, but if your car has the stock 93 engine in it, it is a 7bolt. With AFC and FP, perhaps 18 psi on pump gas, and 20 on race.

Oh and Star, a small typo you had, the common "street" combo you referred to is 264/272 (I/E) not the other way around. It's a small point but if he went and bought 272/264, he'd be a bit upset . Bad idle and minimal top end isn't the way you want it for $600 in cams.

Also, no one has mentioned it yet. Save up $ for a transmission rebuild. If you drive it hard and drive it often, when you break your first tranny you'll want to have the $ for the built rebuild.



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#9832, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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ah oops i mixed that up. on the 7 bolt i thought the 7 bolts didnt come out till 95....?? Obviously not true.

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#9833, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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7 bolts came out in mid 1992. They were made in Japan though. The 2G 7 bolts were made in the good 'ol USA. (Hence why they crankwalk )


As for the "good for shepherd but not for me" comment, you can go plenty fast with just the turbo. I am not against nitrous at all, but using it to hit 8's is much different than using it to hit low 12's. You can do that on a damn 14B if you can tune well, so why fuck with nitrous?

Oh and I also just really hate the term "spray the fuck out of it." It just sounds ignorant and stupid.

  

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#9834, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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nitrous seems to be a waste for most turbo cars. I know from experience with tuning my car that nitrous would only force you to reduce the timing and would give you more horsepower/torque, but the amount of tuning and timing reduction isn't worth it. Get yourself a 3" Downpipe back exhaust, bigger turbo, injectors, SAFC, 3" GM MAF, and FMIC and you will have a decent setup. never put 18's on your car. they will only spin more and add weight. but some people prefer rice over performance. -Scott

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#9835, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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18" wheels are not rice and they do make lightweight 18s. No there isn't a need for them but some do like to add alitlle bit of style to their car. You can run 11s on 18" wheels....it has been done before. I just wouldn't want to try to attempt that task.

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#9836, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Originally posted by BigBald
18" wheels are not rice and they do make lightweight 18s. No there isn't a need for them but some do like to add alitlle bit of style to their car. You can run 11s on 18" wheels....it has been done before. I just wouldn't want to try to attempt that task.


my 19s on 2gnt weigh 6 pounds less than stock wheels.

anywho, so around 15 psi on a stock system eh? im planning to get the walbro 255 and a safc in the next month.

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Originally posted by etx(SIUECLIPSE)
Yeah right. He is making 380fwhp with ebay hoses and the HRC 2.25" clamp on downpipe attached to his stock exhaust. And a SFMU, LOL! You should be maimed and beaten you fucking liar.

  

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#9837, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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YOu know what is really funny.....people are starting to consider Race GAs to be cheating too....

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#9838, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Originally posted by widebodied
Originally posted by BigBald 18" wheels are not rice and they do make lightweight 18s. No there isn't a need for them but some do like to add alitlle bit of style to their car. You can run 11s on 18" wheels....it has been done before. I just wouldn't want to try to attempt that task.
my 19s on 2gnt weigh 6 pounds less than stock wheels. anywho, so around 15 psi on a stock system eh? im planning to get the walbro 255 and a safc in the next month. DWAYNE H 1996 eclipse under construction widebody eclipse, targa top, 19inch rollers, big brakes, 10 point custom cage, frank 2.4 hrc s20g turbo, custom marble paint job 2000 Yamaha R-1, 165rwhp 117 ftlbs tq ALMOST THERE...... MUWHAHAHAHAHAHA
Originally posted by etx(SIUECLIPSE) Yeah right. He is making 380fwhp with ebay hoses and the HRC 2.25" clamp on downpipe attached to his stock exhaust. And a SFMU, LOL! You should be maimed and beaten you fucking liar.




Weight is part of it, but tire size is also a large part. You cana get alot more tire in the wheel well with a smaller wheel. 16x7.5 or 16x8 would be quite nice since you can get so much tire in there.

Either way, it's all subjective, but wheel size is important for more than just weight. Think about it this way. You mentioned your 19s are lighter than stock? Imagine how much lighter the same wheel would be in 16's and also how much more tire you could get too. Even better eh?



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#9839, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Originally posted by HybriDSM
Also, no one has mentioned it yet. Save up $ for a transmission rebuild. If you drive it hard and drive it often, when you break your first tranny you'll want to have the $ for the built rebuild.


Originally posted by Vandy420a
....and use the rest of the money for tuning and rebuilding the tranny, which is bound to break eventually doing quarter mile pulls with the kind of power you are going to be making.


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#9840, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Also the fact that you'll have effectively lower gears with a smaller rim/tire.

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#9841, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Does this car already have 3" exhaust? cause no one mentioned that yet. Also, why get an AFC if youre gonna fet a GM MAS?

if you street race, then yeah I could see why people would say it is cheating if you use race gas, but on the track it doesnt matter cause its readily available.

L2R is a good turbo too.

  

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#9842, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Originally posted by Initial DSM
Does this car already have 3" exhaust? cause no one mentioned that yet. Also, why get an AFC if youre gonna fet a GM MAS? if you street race, then yeah I could see why people would say it is cheating if you use race gas, but on the track it doesnt matter cause its readily available. L2R is a good turbo too.


AFC is adjustable in 1% increments from inside the car. GM MAF is adjustable in 2% increments from inside the engine bay. AFC is much more user friendly and has many more features. Adjust the MAFT to the correct base settings and leave it alone. That is how I view it.



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#9843, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Well i dunnno; after my friend installed the gm maf, he said he relly didnt have any more use for the afc that he had. besides doesnt it limit you to 650cc injectors. also my other friend uses a accel DFI 6 with a Mazda mx6 distributor; prety solid setup. T-78 turbobo.

  

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#9844, "RE: high 11s low 12s, what do i need?"
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Sep-24-04 11:18 AM by HybriDSM

          

Originally posted by Initial DSM
Well i dunnno; after my friend installed the gm maf, he said he relly didnt have any more use for the afc that he had. besides doesnt it limit you to 650cc injectors. also my other friend uses a accel DFI 6 with a Mazda mx6 distributor; prety solid setup. T-78 turbobo.


If you have both an AFC and MAFT then that is perfect. If you pick one or the other then go with the MAF but I reccomend getting both since you have more options. Adjustability in-car and also ability to compensate for injector sizes immediately with the MAF/MAFT.

Because you can only take out 30% or so with the AFC you are limited to about 660's because you can't adjust back down to stcok levels in 30% with anything larger, but if you have bigger than 660's you're most likely running huge turbo so you'll want the MAFT anyway. Having both is best. One or the other is a tough choice depending on other components in the setup.



It's running again shitheads.

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