#117275, "Help a fellow 420A'er out (APEXi Super AFC) - plus an intro."
Well, I'm sure you're wondering, so I'll start by first saying that I do not drive a Mitsu - I know, sorry... I was referred to your board by Stan over at the Neons.org board. Anyway, I have a '98 Dodge Neon R/T Coupe. I've done quite a bit of work so far and have plenty more to go (heck, who doesn't?). My plans are to stay NA as long as possible. Who knows, maybe a bottle will sneak in my trunk some day, but for now, it's NA all the way.
Now for the fun! I recently was able to get a sweet deal on an APEXi Super AFC. Now, nowhere in the world have I been able to find info on how to hook it up to a Neon; however, I just recently found that several of you guys have it on your 420A motors. Would any of you be able to give me some tips, pointers, how-to info? Feel free to shoot me an email or reply on the board. Anything - no matter how small - is appreciated. I'm starting 100% from scratch... Thanks all!!
Here's a shot of my ride - Pepe (you know, like as in Le Pew?)
#117276, "RE: Help a fellow 420A'er out (APEXi Super AFC) - plus an intro." In response to Reply # 0
Welcome, in addition to my 97 Eclipse RS I own a Black 95 Neon Sport DOHC. Your car looks sweet man. I have the factory and another manual for my Neon so guys let me know what signal wires need to be tapped and I can find them on the Neon ECU through the manual.
Firefly: Mal: You don't know me, son, so let me put this to you plainly: If I ever kill you, you'll be awake. You'll be facing me. And you'll be armed.
the wiring should not be that hard. a shop manual will help you a lot tho
you will need to find an RPM signal wire. TPS signal wire (I am sure you know where your tps is located at) Map signal wire (you will have to cut this, run one side to the AFC, the other side to your ECU) ECU main power wire, and ground. A/F ratio wire if you plan to do the blue wire mod (if you wanna moniter your A/F using your S-AFC
setting should be pressure sensor, then try 6 in and 6 out (worked for a lot of us, but not sure if it will for you) just play with the in and out settings till your car idles fine.
#117278, "Here you go..." In response to Reply # 0
I have a folder on my harddrive for eveything I will do/have done to my car, and guess what here are the instructions which were provided to me by Armond30:
Power wire: oversized Black wire with White stripe. pin 20 should be the extreme bottom on the upper connector for the ECU. second row of 4. Tach signal (RPM): White Wire Pin 73 should be 3rd pin from top on an extreme side of the BOTTOM ECU connector. Throttle sensor (TPS): brown wire with red stripe. pin 35 should be close to the middle of the extreme side (length ways) of the top ECU connector Ground: black small wire. pin 10. should be in an extreme bottom corner of the TOP ECU connector pressure sensor (MAP): yellow wire with BLACK stripe. pin 36 should be directly beside the TPS signal wire. use the wiring diagram for cars equipped with pressure sensor in the instructions. all unused wires should be tied off. They are for skyline.
Pressure sensor is type 6 (6 in 6 out)
throttle arrow should be pointing up.
that should be all you need to get going.
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#117279, "WHOA WHOA WHOA!!!!! hang on!!!!!" In response to Reply # 3
the ecu in an neon is different than the ecu in an eclipse (same motor, different ecu). the pins and connections will ALL be diffrent. I can hoop up a s-afc in a neon, I would just need the schematics for the mfi system. I am sure that it is possible, I just haven't tried yet . If you can find some schematics of your MFI system, or have access to a electrical service manual, then instal should be a piece fo cake.
hold your horses man, Michael_97RS has a Neon and he also said he has the manual for it, the info he gave was from his Neon manual, so it's all good, don't worry man, the guy knows what he is doing
Thank you guys so much for the info! We're probably going to tackle the install next weekend. The good news is that a buddy of mine owns a dyno shop here in Kansas City, so tuning should be a piece of cake!
Sorry, I knew I was forgetting something important - especially when dealing with "the car guys"! My current list of mods: - Hand Ported/Polished Intake Manifold (most recent mod) - AEM Cold Air Intake - AF/X Bored TB - AF/X Race Computer - Kirk Racing Header - AF/X UDP - B&M Short Shifter - Vibrant Pipes - Magnacore Wires - Eibach Springs - KYB Struts - Prothane Motor Mounts (front and sides) - AF/X Bobble Strut - 16 in Enkei RPO2 Rims
My best time at the track has been a 15.2, but that is with a crappy 2.1 60 ft time. Once I can get it down to 1.8-1.9, I should be 14.8's or so... Also, haven't been to the track since the intake was done - it really helped with top end, so it should help my times a lot!
Again, thanks for all your assistance with this - it's much appreciated!
#117282, "RE: Thanks gang!!" In response to Reply # 6
I'm heading out of town today through Saturday. Come Sunday I'm doing work to my Neon and Eclipse Sunday. UDP finally is goin on guys. So I'll take everybody directions fo rthe Eclipse and figure out what wires you need to splice into when I'm back
Firefly: Mal: You don't know me, son, so let me put this to you plainly: If I ever kill you, you'll be awake. You'll be facing me. And you'll be armed.
#117283, "do you know how many people here would kill for a 15.2 in the 1/4 mile naturally aspirated?!?" In response to Reply # 6
Just look below this message at my signaure and you'll see I sure wouldn't mind a 15.2 with a 2.1 60' (damn light neons! Or should I say, damn heavy DSMs!)
although you do have the afx computer and the ported/polished intake which are very good mods. how much did the intake help in the 1/4? (if you've tried it yet, that is) I'm sure lots of people here besides just me would like to know
#117284, "Yep - damn light Neons for sure! ;-) (before/after dyno)" In response to Reply # 8
>although you do have the afx computer and the ported/polished >intake which are very good mods. >how much did the intake help in the 1/4? (if you've tried it >yet, that is) I'm sure lots of people here besides just me >would like to know
I have yet to try out the intake at the track... Grudge racing starts back up March 4th here in Kansas City!! I do, however, have a great before/after dyno of the intake - I'm sure you will appreciate. This dyno graph was done with average of 3 baselines "before" and then 3 baselines "after" the intake was installed. All runs done the same day about 5 hours apart -due to install time, smoke breaks, and general dickin' around!
#117286, "Not a problem! (another dyno included)" In response to Reply # 10
Any way that I can be of help, please let me know!
Attached is another dyno of the AF/X Race Computer. Again, this is a before and after with the ONLY change being the computer.
Mods at the time were AEM Intake, AF/X Bored TB, Kirk Racing Header, AF/X Underdrive Pulley, and Magnacore Plugwires.
Sorry, it's kind of a big pic, but it really helps to see how it works. Don't just look at the Max numbers at the top. Really look at the graph - especially at about 6200 rpm!
#117287, "RE: Help a fellow 420A'er out (APEXi Super AFC) - plus an intro." In response to Reply # 0
Sorry all, I didn't get to looking up te wiring for the S-AFC. My friends car broke down at the campground just as we were going to leave on Sunday so I didn't get back until late. I'll do it before next weekend.
Firefly: Mal: You don't know me, son, so let me put this to you plainly: If I ever kill you, you'll be awake. You'll be facing me. And you'll be armed.
