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HybriDSMJul-24-05 06:16 PM
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#8151, "RE: Limits of the 4G63..."
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Jul-24-05 06:39 PM by HybriDSM

          

My personal opinion on the matter is I would never, ever touch an FWD platform for speed. Unless I was doing a full track prepped car designed solely for the purpose of getting an FWD as fast as I possibly can with no limit on budget, time or effort, FWD is the 100% last platform I would want to use for flat out speed. That's just me though. (I also understand why some people do it, but being realistic about it is probably the most important element to the project, before time, money and work are even considered).

Like mentioned before, if you want to see why AWD just murders FWD, either go to the Shootout (since you have very limited interaction with AWD in-car, this is the best I can offer), or at least watch footage of the Shootout. There are 50 times as many AWDs in the 11's and below than there are FWDs, and I'd wager, most of them are there for much cheaper. That being said as well, it makes an FWD running those times that much more impressive. Seeing an 11 second FWD really makes me appreciate the work in the car.

NHH - If you really only want a fun streetable car, FWD is fine, but it really doesn't sound like that is what your intention is. To just kind of lay it out there, here it is: You are living in a fantasy world. Your view on this subject is very simplistic. When you mention how "sweet" that 694 hp GSX is, that is a car with tens of thousands of dollars in mods in it most likely, and also a 6 year project. That is not just "feasible" for every enthusiast. We'd love to help you out in making a decision, but trying to change your point of view about the whole scenario will be tough. It really sounds like you're grounded in F&F still, but you need to switch your mind set over to NABR to really make any meaningful decisions.

Moving on: Do we have a hp limit? Rev limit? Etc. Etc 'real answers'.

HP limit - (ask John Shepherd) He is running 8.5xs in his 1g AWD. Many people on a stock 6 bolt block are in the ~400s at the wheels, while many people on forged internals are pushing close to and over 4 digits at the crank.

Rev Limit - stock springs and retainers ~7500-8000 if you are daring/reckless. With lightened valvetrain components, 10k+.

Why is RWD better? - As Slowmitsu said, weight transfer. You have the weight of the car over the drive wheels, therefore, the real wheels powered cars naturally have better traction than comparable FWD counterparts.

And the thing about all of these questions is that the "real answers" are case by case for the most part. Universal truths are hard to come by in this community, and as far as the normal "Tunerz" crowd, most of it not only doesn't fly, but most of it is seen as a shit storm that is ruining the hobby for a majority of auto enthsiasts. I hate to come across as an asshole, but if you really do want to spend all of that time, money and effort on this car, you NEED to know what you are getting into.

That and the 1g/4g63 section has taken a turn for the 'new' lately, and the demeanor of the subsection needs some freshening up.



It's running again shitheads.

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Limits of the 4G63... [View all] , NHH223, Jul-19-05 05:01 PM
  RE: Limits of the 4G63..., TeamJeff_99gs, Jul-19-05 05:24 PM, #1
RE: Limits of the 4G63..., 97eclipse97, Jul-20-05 02:55 AM, #2
      RE: Limits of the 4G63..., slowmitsu, Jul-20-05 03:55 AM, #3
           RE: Limits of the 4G63..., TeamJeff_99gs, Jul-20-05 04:17 AM, #4
                RE: Limits of the 4G63..., slowmitsu, Jul-20-05 04:27 AM, #5
                     RE: Limits of the 4G63..., NHH223, Jul-21-05 07:01 PM, #6
                          RE: Limits of the 4G63..., slowmitsu, Jul-22-05 04:20 AM, #7
                          RE: Limits of the 4G63..., TeamJeff_99gs, Jul-22-05 04:40 AM, #8
                          RE: Limits of the 4G63..., Dualgen2, Jul-22-05 01:07 PM, #9
                               RE: Limits of the 4G63..., 420a-Tnthewerks, Jul-22-05 03:34 PM, #10
                               RE: Limits of the 4G63..., NHH223, Jul-24-05 07:44 AM, #11
                                    RE: Limits of the 4G63..., Dualgen2, Jul-24-05 01:02 PM, #12
                                         RE: Limits of the 4G63..., HybriDSM, Jul-24-05 06:16 PM #13
                                              RE: Limits of the 4G63..., theallpowerfulme, Jul-25-05 03:40 PM, #14
                                              RE: Limits of the 4G63..., 96rs-t, Jul-25-05 04:04 PM, #15
                                                   RE: Limits of the 4G63..., 97eclipse97, Jul-25-05 04:13 PM, #16
                                                        RE: Limits of the 4G63..., 96rs-t, Jul-25-05 06:32 PM, #18
                                              RE: Limits of the 4G63..., NHH223, Jul-25-05 04:54 PM, #17
                                                   RE: Limits of the 4G63..., ModeratoreclipzGST, Jul-25-05 07:30 PM, #19
                                                        RE: Limits of the 4G63..., RST95eclipse, Jul-27-05 12:33 PM, #20
                                                             RE: Limits of the 4G63..., NHH223, Jul-29-05 07:09 PM, #21
                                                                  RE: Limits of the 4G63..., ModeratoreclipzGST, Jul-29-05 09:35 PM, #22

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