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Nov-24-03 12:45 PM by DarkOne



          

Interesting. I suppose I didn't really catch on to the fact that the actual specs were going to be any different from the ones on the web site. Brain fart I guess.

Well I used what I could from the specs that are currently listed on thier site. Since there is no mention of lobe centerlines or IVO/IVC/EVO/EVC event angles - I assumed stock centerlines. I'm going to list out the specs for all of the cams in question. All of these specs are based on seat to seat timing(which gives a more accurate simulation in Dyno2000).

Stock cams(from the overhaul manual 2gnt_420a_overhaul.pdf)
Intake lift : .324 in.
Exhaust lift : .278 in.
Intake centerline : 109.2 ATDC
Intake duration : 221 degrees
Exhaust centerline : 107.4 BTDC
Exhaust duration : 217 degrees
IVO : 1.3 BTDC
IVC : 39.7 ABDC
EVO : 35.9 BBDC
EVC : 1.2 ATDC
notes : What can I say. Stock cams are always shitty unless the car itself is exotic.

What I assumed for the Crower stage 2 cams. Again, here I assumed that they kept the stock centerlines.
Intake lift : .355 in.
Exhaust lift : .310 in.
Intake centerline : 109.2 ATDC
Intake duration : 240 degrees
Exhaust centerline : 107.4 BTDC
Exhaust duration : 240 degrees
IVO : 10.8 BTDC
IVC : 49.2 ABDC
EVO : 47.4 BBDC
EVC : 12.6 ATDC
notes : These are nice. Good duration. 23.4 crank degree overlap - a big jump from the measly 2.5 crank degree overlap on the shitty stockers. With 192 degree duration@.050 - it falls .6 degrees away from actual overlap@.050. Also, could be better with more lift on the exhaust cam. Better than stock.

Here's the Crane #12 cams
Intake lift : .364 in.
Exhaust lift : .364 in.
Intake centerline : 107 ATDC
Intake duration : 246 degrees
Exhaust centerline : 113 BTDC
Exhaust duration : 246 degrees
IVO : 16 BTDC
IVC : 50 ABDC
EVO : 56 BBDC
EVC : 10 ATDC
notes : Good lift. And with 204 degree duration@.050, there is a whoppin 5 degree overlap@.050 lift, which is most likely noticably audable. Good street cam.

And here's the new and improved actual Crower stage 2 spec.
Intake lift : .389 in.
Exhaust lift : .357 in.
Intake centerline : 106 ATDC
Intake duration : 248 degrees
Exhaust centerline : 114 BTDC
Exhaust duration : 246 degrees
IVO : 18 BTDC
IVC : 50 ABDC
EVO : 57 BBDC
EVC : 9 ATDC
notes : Nice intake lift for a street cam. The timing is a bit wierd though - nothing that gears cant take care of. Not much audible overlap with only 196/194 duration@050. Good street cam.

With the new spec, the Crane #12 and Crower stage 2s look almost identical. Its got a tiny bit more in the mid range, and its a give and take battle on the high end. I was playing around with the timing on the Crowers a bit and(like the Cranes) they have greater potential when adjusted properly....but out of the box they're almost identical in output/VE to the Cranes.




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Camshaft discussion & comparison [View all] , TeamAvenger, Apr-20-05 05:13 PM
  RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, Mar-06-03 10:01 AM, #1
RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamAvenger, Mar-06-03 10:13 AM, #2
      RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, ModeratorVX100, Mar-06-03 10:20 AM, #3
RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMichael_97RS, Mar-06-03 10:24 AM, #4
RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamAvenger, Mar-06-03 11:05 AM, #5
      RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMetalJim, Mar-06-03 04:34 PM, #6
           RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMichael_97RS, Mar-07-03 04:15 AM, #7
                RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMetalJim, Mar-07-03 06:16 PM #8
RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, gzrs99, Mar-08-03 08:17 AM, #9
RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, ModeratorVX100, Mar-08-03 09:15 AM, #10
      RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMetalJim, Mar-09-03 12:40 AM, #11
           RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMichael_97RS, Mar-10-03 06:46 AM, #12
           RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, ModeratorVX100, Mar-10-03 07:21 AM, #13
                RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, Mar-10-03 06:15 PM, #14
                     RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamAvenger, Mar-10-03 07:03 PM, #15
                          RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMetalJim, Mar-10-03 08:10 PM, #16
                               RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, Fast420A, Mar-10-03 10:31 PM, #17
                                    RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMetalJim, Mar-13-03 11:19 PM, #18
                                         RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMichael_97RS, Mar-14-03 03:57 AM, #19
                                              RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamAvenger, Mar-14-03 03:40 PM, #20
                                                   RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMetalJim, Mar-15-03 07:25 PM, #21
                                                        RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamAvenger, Mar-15-03 09:12 PM, #22
                                                             RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMetalJim, Mar-16-03 11:17 PM, #23
                                                                  RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamAvenger, Mar-17-03 06:21 PM, #24
                                                                       RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamAvenger, Mar-20-03 10:22 AM, #25
                                                                            RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMichael_97RS, Mar-20-03 12:52 PM, #26
                                                                                 RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, gzrs99, Mar-25-03 10:42 PM, #27
                                                                                      RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMetalJim, Mar-26-03 09:50 PM, #28
                                                                                           RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, 1TuffRS, Apr-08-03 06:14 PM, #29
                                                                                                RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, vegasdsmr, Apr-08-03 08:03 PM, #30
           RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, SEA97GS, Apr-10-03 01:04 PM, #31
                RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, Apr-10-03 05:47 PM, #32
                RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMetalJim, Apr-10-03 05:57 PM, #33
                RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMichael_97RS, Apr-14-03 05:59 AM, #34
                     RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, SEA97GS, Apr-14-03 12:46 PM, #35
                     RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, MotoFool, Apr-16-03 06:55 AM, #36
                          RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, 98Turbo420A, Apr-29-03 06:05 PM, #37
                               RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, ScarFace19, May-02-03 08:15 PM, #38
                                    RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, ScarFace19, May-11-03 06:36 AM, #39
                                    RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TalonSpeed, May-11-03 12:17 PM, #40
                                    RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMichael_97RS, May-12-03 04:43 AM, #41
                     RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, SEA97GS, May-16-03 09:40 AM, #42
                          RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMichael_97RS, May-17-03 05:15 AM, #43
                               RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMetalJim, May-17-03 08:36 PM, #44
                                    RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, SEA97GS, May-28-03 06:59 AM, #45
                                         Sam, S-AFC settings?, TeamMichael_97RS, Jun-02-03 11:22 AM, #46
                                              RE: Cams..., wakeboard99, Jun-02-03 12:04 PM, #47
                                              RE: Sam, S-AFC settings?, SEA97GS, Jun-17-03 03:09 PM, #48
                                                   RE:Cams?!, Dark Ringleader, Aug-21-03 05:22 AM, #49
                                                        RE:Cams?!, TeamMichael_97RS, Aug-25-03 05:02 PM, #50
                                                             RE:Cams?!, Eclipse2NR, Oct-27-03 05:19 AM, #51
                                                                  RE:Cams?!, babybeclipse, Nov-24-03 10:09 AM, #52
                                                                       RE:Cams?!, babybeclipse, Nov-24-03 05:32 PM, #53
                                                                            RE:Cams?!, Chamuko, Dec-03-03 02:44 PM, #54
                                                                            RE:Cams?!, cougar694u, Dec-18-03 06:36 PM, #55
                                                                                 RE:Cams?!, Dave41079, Dec-19-03 04:01 AM, #56
                                                                                      RE:Cams?!, cougar694u, Dec-19-03 05:00 AM, #57
                                                                                      RE:Cams?!, cougar694u, Dec-19-03 06:41 AM, #58
                                                                                           RE:Cams?!, TeamMichael_97RS, Dec-19-03 07:19 AM, #59
                                                                                                RE:Cams?!, cougar694u, Dec-19-03 12:55 PM, #60
                                                                                                     RE:Cams?!, TeamMichael_97RS, Dec-19-03 02:04 PM, #61
                                                                                                          RE:Cams?!, AdministratorCODE4, Dec-23-03 05:28 PM, #62
                                                                                                               RE:Cams?!, TeamMichael_97RS, Dec-24-03 05:37 AM, #63
                                                                                                                    RE:Cams?!, Skrilla, Dec-24-03 07:14 AM, #64
                                                                                                                         RE:Cams?!, TeamDR1665, Dec-24-03 08:50 AM, #65
                                                                                                                              RE:Cams?!, turbo8u, Dec-24-03 09:15 AM, #66
                                                                                                                              RE:Cams?!, Skrilla, Dec-24-03 11:13 AM, #67
                                                                                                                              RE:Cams?!, cougar694u, Dec-24-03 11:57 AM, #68
                                                                                                                              RE:Cams?!, cougar694u, Dec-24-03 11:58 AM, #69
                                                                                                                                   RE:Cams?!, Skrilla, Dec-26-03 07:27 AM, #70
                                                                                                                                   RE:Cams?!, Skrilla, Dec-26-03 04:05 PM, #71
                                                                                                                                   RE:Cams?!, cougar694u, Dec-27-03 09:05 AM, #72
                                                                                                                              RE:Cams?!, TeamDR1665, Dec-27-03 03:54 PM, #73
                                                                                                                                   RE:Cams?!, Skrilla, Dec-27-03 11:12 PM, #74
                                                                                                                                   RE:Cams?!, cougar694u, Dec-29-03 02:19 PM, #75
                                                                                                                                        RE:Cams?!, TeamDR1665, Dec-30-03 08:17 AM, #76
                                                                                                                              RE:Cams?!, cougar694u, Jan-09-04 12:10 PM, #77
                                                                                                                                   RE:Cams?!, BlueMoonEclipse, Jan-12-04 02:59 PM, #78
                                                                                                                                   WTF have I been..., Skrilla, Jan-20-04 05:17 AM, #81
                                                                                                                                   holy..., Skrilla, Jan-20-04 05:17 AM, #82
                                                                                                                                   RE:Cams?!, TeamMichael_97RS, Jan-20-04 04:19 AM, #79
                                                                                                                                        RE:Cams?!, cougar694u, Jan-20-04 04:03 PM, #88
Crower 3 Specs., TeamMichael_97RS, Jan-20-04 04:22 AM, #80
RE: Crower 3 Specs., Skrilla, Jan-20-04 05:23 AM, #83
      RE: Crower 3 Specs., TeamMichael_97RS, Jan-20-04 05:46 AM, #84
      Main cams i want compared, BlueMoonEclipse, Jan-20-04 10:48 AM, #85
           RE: Main cams i want compared, TeamMichael_97RS, Jan-20-04 11:02 AM, #86
           RE: Main cams i want compared, cougar694u, Jan-20-04 03:46 PM, #87
                RE: Main cams i want compared, thegame, Jan-22-04 04:59 AM, #89
                     RE: Main cams i want compared, TeamMichael_97RS, Jan-22-04 05:02 AM, #90
                          RE: Main cams i want compared, thegame, Jan-22-04 05:16 AM, #91
                               RE: Main cams i want compared, Skrilla, Jan-22-04 05:56 AM, #92
                                    RE: Main cams i want compared, thegame, Jan-23-04 03:09 AM, #95
                                         RE: Main cams i want compared, TeamMichael_97RS, Jan-23-04 04:00 AM, #96
      RE: Crower 3 Specs., TeamDR1665, Jan-22-04 09:37 AM, #93
           RE: Crower 3 Specs., Skrilla, Jan-22-04 12:19 PM, #94
                RE: Crower 3 Specs., TeamDR1665, Jan-30-04 12:53 PM, #97
                     RE: Crower 3 Specs., BlueMoonEclipse, Feb-02-04 07:52 AM, #98
                          RE: Crower 3 Specs., cougar694u, Feb-02-04 04:25 PM, #99
                               RE: Crower 3 Specs., BlueMoonEclipse, Feb-03-04 05:57 PM, #100
RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, cougar694u, Feb-25-04 03:19 PM, #101
RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, TeamMichael_97RS, Feb-26-04 08:25 AM, #102
      RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, cougar694u, Mar-11-04 04:15 AM, #103
           RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, WickedESi, Mar-17-04 11:03 PM, #104
                RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, cougar694u, Mar-21-04 05:33 PM, #105
                     RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, WickedESi, Mar-24-04 11:20 AM, #106
                          RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, BumpinTalon, Apr-28-04 02:20 PM, #107
                               RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, cougar694u, Apr-29-04 08:38 AM, #108
                                    RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, JWoodley, May-17-04 02:14 PM, #109
The real Crower Stage 3 spec, Teamner947, May-17-04 03:18 PM, #110
RE: The real Crower Stage 3 spec, JWoodley, May-17-04 04:22 PM, #111
RE: The real Crower Stage 3 spec, TeamMichael_97RS, May-18-04 08:29 AM, #112
RE: The real Crower Stage 3 spec, TeamAvenger, May-18-04 05:04 PM, #113
      RE: The real Crower Stage 3 spec, Teamner947, May-22-04 07:57 AM, #114
RE: The real Crower Stage 3 spec, cougar694u, May-25-04 09:19 AM, #115
      RE: The real Crower Stage 3 spec, TeamMichael_97RS, May-25-04 10:00 AM, #116
           RE: The real Crower Stage 3 spec, cougar694u, May-25-04 10:09 AM, #117
                Crower 3s vs. Crane #18s, JWoodley, Jul-06-04 04:16 PM, #118
                     RE: Crower 3s vs. Crane #18s, brokenrodguy, Aug-24-04 07:51 PM, #119
                     RE: Crower 3s vs. Crane #18s, Initial DSM, Aug-25-04 09:13 AM, #120
                     RE: Crower 3s vs. Crane #18s, cougar694u, Sep-03-04 10:58 AM, #121
                          RE: Crower 3s vs. Crane #18s, JWoodley, Sep-06-04 03:10 PM, #122
                               RE: Crower 3s vs. Crane #18s, cougar694u, Sep-14-04 12:44 PM, #123
                                    RE: Crower 3s vs. Crane #18s, Chamuko, Apr-06-05 04:50 PM, #124
                                         new cam question, tim97rs, Apr-24-05 03:51 PM, #125
                                              RE: new cam question, TeamMichael_97RS, Apr-25-05 06:25 AM, #126
                                              RE: new cam question, cougar694u, Apr-25-05 06:28 AM, #128
                                                   RE: new cam question, TeamMichael_97RS, Apr-25-05 06:31 AM, #129
                                              RE: new cam question, cougar694u, Apr-25-05 06:27 AM, #127
                                                   RE: new cam question, TeamDR1665, Dec-21-05 10:55 AM, #130
                                                        RE: new cam question, TeamDR1665, Dec-21-05 12:18 PM, #131
                                                             RE: new cam question, greygoose, Jan-01-06 07:45 PM, #132
                                                             RE: new cam question, TeamDR1665, Jan-03-06 04:52 AM, #133
                                                             RE: new cam question, cougar694u, Jan-03-06 05:59 AM, #134
                                                                  RE: new cam question, greygoose, Jan-03-06 08:49 PM, #135
                                                                       RE: new cam question, cougar694u, Jan-04-06 03:27 AM, #136
                                                                            RE: new cam question, greygoose, Jan-04-06 09:01 AM, #137
                                                                                 RE: new cam question, DSMTalon, Oct-05-06 02:28 PM, #138
                                                                                      RE: new cam question, Cyexmaster, Sep-05-09 02:46 PM, #139
                                                                                           RE: new cam question, Teamner947, Nov-18-09 10:41 AM, #140
                                                                                                RE: new cam question, Fasttopass, Feb-16-10 06:35 PM, #141
                                                                                                     RE: new cam question, Cyexmaster, Feb-16-10 08:02 PM, #142
                                                                                                          RE: new cam question, cougar694u, May-24-10 07:43 AM, #143
                                                                                                               RE: new cam question, Cert911, Sep-02-10 06:12 PM, #144
                                                                                                                    RE: new cam question, cougar694u, Sep-02-10 07:46 PM, #145
                                                                                                                         RE: new cam question, bnisson, Oct-19-10 01:37 AM, #150
RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, eclipse4g, Sep-07-10 10:34 PM, #146
RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, cougar694u, Sep-08-10 09:23 AM, #147
RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, Moderatorteklein, Sep-08-10 10:40 AM, #148
      RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, 420agreenvilleSC, Sep-08-10 05:14 PM, #149
           RE: Camshaft discussion & comparison, iNoise, Apr-30-11 06:55 PM, #151

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