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cougar694u	Apr-25-05 06:27 AM
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#112401, "RE: new cam question"
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Originally posted by tim97rs
well i was gonna start a new thread with this but i will try it here first: so after reading all this i undertsand that 14's are shitty-esqe. a combo of a 14 intake and either a 10 or a 12 exhaust seems to be the way to go (at least with cranes). SO.. with adjustable cam gears is it possible to adjust the 14 down to a 12 or 10, or at least close? i know the 2gnt "rule of thumb" on cam adjustments tend to be 2-4* retard on the exhaust side, but i think that also usualy seems to be done on stock cams. so with the 14's is there a differnt way to go on adjustments to "improve" thier performance?

Well, the intake cam from the 14's is almost exactly the same as the 12's. The 14 intake cam is 2* advanced in relation to the 12's. You can retard the 14 intake cam 2* and it's exactly the same as having a 12 intake cam.

As far as the exhaust cam of the 14, it rates in between stock and the 10's. If you add a 12 exhaust cam, you basically have a set of 12's (when the 14 intake cam is retarded 2*).

From here down, it's pure speculation (with the help of DeskTop Dyno2000). A dyno is the best way to find out for sure.

With both 14's, you can retard the intake cam 2*, then retard the exhaust cam 4*, you should be close to the point of where the 12's are. You can go to -6* on the exhaust cam and gain a little more at 5500+ RPM over the 12's at 0/0. However, going -2/-6 (int/exh) will give you 4* more overlap than if they were at the same timing (0/0, -2/-2, etc).

According to Dyno2000, if you retard both cams 6*, it's a little better than -2/-6 and will pull harder at 5500+ over the 12's at 0/0. You'll lose a little torque from 2k-4k, but probably not much more than 2-3 ft lbs.

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