Ok I just want some info from you guys, I don't wanna hear about cost and weather or not its worth it because thats not what I am worried about. I heard all that with wanting to convert to a 4G63 engine. But when you have a $20k show car, you dont just sell it and get a turbo as most people suggest lol:thumbsup I want to know how compatible it is to swap, if its easier or harder than the 4g63, what all has to be done, wire harnesses and all that, if anyone has done this yet and that kinda stuff. I have access to one of these motors with only like under 10k miles for literally peanuts (good connections when you help people at shows ya know). So the cost of the conversion is not an issue. It's a different swap than most do, it's potentially more power than the 4g63 and no crankwalk, and for those of you loyalists, we basically have a neon engine now and it would just be upgrading to a better one and not switching over to the other side hahaha. Any help would be great and appreciated, thanks alot Josh
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#61734, "RE: SR-T 4 engine in a 2GNT?" In response to Reply # 2 Dec-04-03 02:31 PM by Uberingram
Originally posted by eclipse_99rs /\ the valve cover would need to be switched around. its a lot of moolahhhh to do that swap.
It's not the valve cover sir. It's the entire head. Timing is still done from the same side as us but as with all neons, the head is transversed compared to the standard we are used to thinking of. More then likely you will not be able to get around this. Find a way to run the stuff that comes from the head (turbo piping to intake, IC, exhuasst, intake mani...)
motor mounts are different...mostly the passenger side. there are 2 on the passanger side of the motor...upper and lower...2gnt's only have the one, the rest are on the tranny.
wiring. although you are looking at diamlerchrysler as a whole Id imagine you'd be wiring the entire car from scratch.
It seems to me that the A853 is a MUCH taller (just bigger in general for obvious reasons) motor. IF you could get the motor to fit as well as mounted...what about accessories? It's a damn snug fit in the SRT as a it is. I would have to take a look at the shop manual for both cars and take engine dimensions into account but like with any serious swap...I'm sure there is a way around it.
Front suspension will more then likely have to be redone. Front crossmember? I dont think it will fit. Even the more 'popular' 2.4 swap will have to have a custom oil pan made. Dont think you can do that with the srt...I'll have to take a pic of the stock oil pan...It is very heavy duty.
If you're serious about it...talk to Dodge and get a service manual for the car. Get a service manual for your 2gnt. I'd love to see it happen just as much as you. It's a stout as fuck motor proven to hold up to 20+ psi and close to 400 whp on stock internals.
#61764, "RE: SR-T 4 engine in a 2GNT?" In response to Reply # 5
It is a similar swap to the 2.4l swap. The short block can be had for $1700 new from Dodge. Our stock tranny bolts up. You will need to focus on working out how to make your crank angle sensor work, which will probably mean a new timing wheel needs to be made as the signal and tooth count are different on the A853 from the 420A. If you go standalone, this will not be a problem. There are few other revisions you would need to make, but those are minor in relation to getting the crank trigger sorted.
#61778, "RE: SR-T 4 engine in a 2GNT?" In response to Reply # 6
I don't want to do a swap to the more conventional 2.4l engines for several reasons including: SRT-4 is a stronger beefier proven engine, its turboed, and it's original, etc... Also as far as size its basically the same size, I believe it is one inch higher, one inch wider, and a half inch deeper. There is plenty of room for that difference in our engine bays... I will look more into it but I think I am gonna do this, the shop doesnt think it to be too difficult of a swap. I personally don't see how it could be harder than a 4G63 swap as some do, in fact this would almost be easier since the trannys we have will work and all. Thanks for all your help, keep it coming Jos
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#61779, "RE: SR-T 4 engine in a 2GNT?" In response to Reply # 7
Originally posted by Grems81 I don't want to do a swap to the more conventional 2.4l engines for several reasons including: SRT-4 is a stronger beefier proven engine, its turboed, and it's original, etc...
, whats the difference between a motor built for boost and a motor built for boost?
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#61780, "RE: SR-T 4 engine in a 2GNT?" In response to Reply # 7
hey Uberingram thanks for that link too that was a big help. I definiately think this is do-able. At lease the engine isnt flopped like the 4G63 and can use some mounts and my tranny. Should work real nice and can't wait to do it and see how it powers my baby. thanks Josh
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#61781, "RE: SR-T 4 engine in a 2GNT?" In response to Reply # 8
Originally posted by turbo8u
, whats the difference between a motor built for boost and a motor built for boost?
Those 2.4l out of a stratus and all aren't really designed for boost, they are just designed to be a 2.4l, but regardless, the internals of the SRT-4 are better and some forged, and the block is stronger and more bulletproof... check out that link that Uberingram supplied and look at the internals and the block and all. I just personally believe this to be a slightly stronger engine and its actually meant for boost, it comes with it... just my $0.02
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