hey guys just wondering wat people think about the obx intake manifold and if it is a worth while by, and if it sux buying it from Concept Illusions then anybody have any suggestions on where i could get one, thanx guys
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/OBX-Intake-Manifold-Eclipse-Talon-420a-Map-Drilled_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ36474QQihZ010QQitemZ200031340215QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

1996 Black Eclipse GS
STAR Stage 2 Turbo With custom equal length manifold and full 3 inch turbo back exhaust
8psi- 9.61- 1/8th mile
14.4- 1/4 mile
MS Powered

Don't waste your money.

I eat emo kids for breakfast

1995 Eagle Talon (SOLD)
72' SuperBeetle
72' Standard Beetle
56' Deluxe Beetle

r u saying dont waste ur money on this one or dont waste your money on an intake manifold period, cuz ive hear concept illusions stuff is shit

1996 Black Eclipse GS
STAR Stage 2 Turbo With custom equal length manifold and full 3 inch turbo back exhaust
8psi- 9.61- 1/8th mile
14.4- 1/4 mile
MS Powered

a properly ported and polished stock manifold that is gasket matched and has a 60mm TB is good for a fenominal amount of power.
if you really want a sheet metal manifold, read what ya can and do some math then make it yourself. with most of the welds being straight runs i can be done fairly inexpensivly.
if you NEED a 72mm tb and are pushing the HP to utalise it then custom would be the way to go.
however if your looking custom anyway, might want to look in to an ITB (individual throttle bodies) set up.

best setup really will depend on the HP goal your looking for.

if your just wanting somthing shiny under the hood, our manifolds can be polished up really well with some time and elbow grease.

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OBX didnt engineer shit..
Its a Venom manifold copy...

And I have yet to see any proof that the manifold does not help...just everyones opinions that OBX is junk so the manifold gets lumped into that opinoin

But there is a fact that the stock manifold is inferior.

I would like to see dyno sheets on stock VS OBX and ported stock vs OBX.....anyone??

1998 dodge avenger 4 cyl AT
Mods are:
Not enough

The OBX (and Venom) manifolds were designed more to be shiny replacements for stock, and mate to all the stock pieces and locations than for performance.

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'95 Eclipse TurboGS (garage deco)
'95 TSi AWD (restoring a survivor)
'97 Talon ESi-T (poor impulse control)
'99 Eclipse RS-T (daily beater)
'13 Evo X (mostly stock)
'17 Sienna (Middle Aged Dad Mobile)



Factory Service Manuals: http://nawdu.de/files/

I eat emo kids for breakfast

1995 Eagle Talon (SOLD)
72' SuperBeetle
72' Standard Beetle
56' Deluxe Beetle

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96 Black ESi
91 Red TSI AWD (RIP)
02 WRX


"turnin wrenches for nine hours in the pouring rain, just to get the beast up and running again"

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I like how everyone says dont waste your money on one. My question to you guys is, have you ever tried one? No I doubt it. So if you dont know why the hell are you telling him not to waste his money?

I have the VENOM manifold which is the same as the OBX and I love it. Thats why it is on my car. If I dont like something, it doesnt stay on the beast. I personally, have felt a gain since it was put on. Yeah you can port, polish your head, thats fine too. But for the people who are telling you that the stuff is junk and they havent even used one, they dont know what they are talking about. Thats like telling someone that is N/A and doesnt ever want to turbo their car, that being N/A is faster just because he "thinks" so in his head. Unless you have tried one, dont talk down on these manifolds. You can say "well I have heard they are cheap and no gains are added from one", well got news for you, I have heard a lot of things about a lot of different products that I have used and I am very happy with them. Just because one person says they didnt like it or whatever, doesnt mean the products are junk.

End of rant.

-MIKE-

Stroked 2.2L

I agree, it is easy to get on the company hating bandwagon without knowing first hand how the product works in real life. However, that still leaves that fact that holes have to be made in a piece that should have been there when it was bought! I have one of these coming because I got a deal on it with EGR block off, injectors, fuel rail, with intake manifold. I mostly bought because it looks nice and the price was right.

I had an OBX Manifold when I first boosted my car. It took a little fab work to get it to work with my 60mm TB and to route the vac lines etc. but nothing too difficult and I was happy with it. The qualty of the welds and materiald arent bad, not great, but not bad. I had to take it off for emmisions test (had to put the EGR back) and I can say on the butt dyno there was definately more power on the top end with the OBX.

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95 Talon ESi-T

As far as the obx or venom I have no clue if they do anything benefical for you. But what I do know is that mine intake (custome) with the combo of the mustang tb is easily one of the top three mods done to on my car.

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'95 TSi AWD (restoring a survivor)
'97 Talon ESi-T (poor impulse control)
'99 Eclipse RS-T (daily beater)
'13 Evo X (mostly stock)
'17 Sienna (Middle Aged Dad Mobile)



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-MIKE-

Stroked 2.2L

If i paid $400 for a chrome hunk of crap, I'd justify it any way I could, too.

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'95 Eclipse TurboGS (garage deco)
'95 TSi AWD (restoring a survivor)
'97 Talon ESi-T (poor impulse control)
'99 Eclipse RS-T (daily beater)
'13 Evo X (mostly stock)
'17 Sienna (Middle Aged Dad Mobile)



Factory Service Manuals: http://nawdu.de/files/

Felt or shown? There's a big difference. Seeing area under dyno plot, seeing changes in the hp and tq curves, seeing peak numbers, or track numbers makes for a better arguement. Butt dyno don't mean much.

My opinion is that having a greater plenum volume will help if you are moving ALOT of air. I highly doubt that much. Having smooth runners probably helps more. But if you're NA or running low boost the excess volume will hurt/kill response. But that's just me.

-"Easy Mac"
05 Mazda RX-8 (RR8 #88)
99 Eclipse RS 398whp & 372lb-ft

-MIKE-

Stroked 2.2L

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If a sentence found online has 35% misspellings or greater and includes at least two racially charged expletives, chances are it is a YouTube comment.

'95 Eclipse TurboGS (garage deco)
'95 TSi AWD (restoring a survivor)
'97 Talon ESi-T (poor impulse control)
'99 Eclipse RS-T (daily beater)
'13 Evo X (mostly stock)
'17 Sienna (Middle Aged Dad Mobile)



Factory Service Manuals: http://nawdu.de/files/

I bought the OBX for under $200.

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95 Talon ESi-T

wow dinowned

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96 Black ESi
91 Red TSI AWD (RIP)
02 WRX


"turnin wrenches for nine hours in the pouring rain, just to get the beast up and running again"

Aerospace Certified TIG welder for Precision Castparts in Portland, OR.

JoshSpair.com

The whole point of upgrading an intake manifold is to change horsepower and torque curve of the engine. Larger volume intakes will move the power higher up in the rpm range. Of course you would think it sucks if you are not constantly driving redline. Also upgrading the intake manifold without upgrading the throttlebody diameter or having a turbo to move more air at a higher velocity would be kind of a waste of money unless you are building a N/A engine that will rev over 8000 RPM. I have never read anywhere that an intake manifold adds a lot of power, only moves the power to different rev's. Of course if you have a crappy manifold to begin with anything that flows either more volume, or flow at higher speed will add power. It really depends what you are building your engine for!

Daniel

What in your opinion then would make a good manifold for the 420a?
Nothing serious now, just plain and simple points and concepts that would make a better 420a manifold.


Nick
97RS

Originally posted by Collente
What in your opinion then would make a good manifold for the 420a? Nothing serious now, just plain and simple points and concepts that would make a better 420a manifold. Nick 97RS

-MIKE-

Stroked 2.2L

This is the way I would do it depending on the cash on hand to spend.

1. Stock intake that is ported and polished with another set of injectors plumbed in is really all you need for a lot of power.
CHEAP AND EFFECTIVE MAINTAINING MORE LOW END TORQUE, WHILE ADDRESSING FLOW PROBLEMS

2. If you are not into doing all that work yourself, then buying an intake manifold with a fuel rail that has larger injectors installed already would be the way to go.
MORE EXPENSIVE AND SMALLER RANGE OF TORQUE, BUT MORE PEAK POWER AND VOLUME TO GO WITH THE ADDITIONAL FLOW

3. If you were real serious about maximum power and tuning ability a custom equal length runner manifold with a separate throttlebody for each cylinder is the way to go. Along with separate wideband o2 sensors in each equal length (Just stuff I like to think about)header tube whether it be a turbo header or not.
VERY COSTLY CUSTOM FABRICATION REQUIRED AND A LOT OF POWER AT ONLY
JUST BEFORE REDLINE USUALLY.

Just my thoughts and opinions, and may not be exactly right, but I am not a tuner by far!

Daniel

-MIKE-

Stroked 2.2L