My star stage II kit came the other day and was short the down pipe and the black box.. Anyways I got a hold of the vender and he said that there was an error in packing the box and that the DP would be air shipped out this wed. but he said that my 96 rs did not need the map bypass(according to whomever he spoke to at star?)But my question is that if my 96 has the late fuel system and would I need the map sensor bypass(aka little black box) or run it without any? I thought only 95's didn't need it? Either way according to him I will not be getting one! Should I just get a missing link?Oh yeah I'm not running a sfmu just the fmu that came with the kit.What should I do?
#83740, "RE: HELP! STAR QUESTION!" In response to Reply # 0
He's wrong. Only the 95's don't need the black box.
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#83742, "RE: HELP! STAR QUESTION!" In response to Reply # 1
Originally posted by DarkOne He's wrong. Only the 95's don't need the black box.
you know whats weird...i thought the same exact thing until at the SoCal meet i went for a ride in 97 with a stage 2 star kit and it had no map clamp or missing link...i showed thedawg (dan) and he too was scratching his head. the car didnt buck or anything and went into boost just fine...i was so confused
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96 Black ESi 91 Red TSI AWD (RIP) 02 WRX
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#83743, "RE: HELP! STAR QUESTION!" In response to Reply # 2 Mar-15-05 08:25 AM by DarkOne
Originally posted by turbo8u
Originally posted by DarkOne He's wrong. Only the 95's don't need the black box.
you know whats weird...i thought the same exact thing until at the SoCal meet i went for a ride in 97 with a stage 2 star kit and it had no map clamp or missing link...i showed thedawg (dan) and he too was scratching his head. the car didnt buck or anything and went into boost just fine...i was so confused
yeah, i have a friend with a 97 Talon that i don't hang out with near enough that never ran one, and didn't seem to fuel cut consistantly. Usually, not at all. No idea why.
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The map voltage reduction functionality of an SAFC controlling larger injectors will do this. The ECU won't see a full 4.7v until the SAFC compensation reachs some single digit negative correction value.. -4% or -3% or something. I beleive that's what I determined was causing the lack of fuel cut on Jury's car.. because once he started turning up the boost, it would consistantly fuel cut..
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#83747, "RE: HELP! STAR QUESTION!" In response to Reply # 6
dino, that makes perfect sense.
but on this guys car, he didnt even have an SAFC...and also had stock injectors. i was like dude you need to take me for a ride, i dont believe this thing wont fuel cut...sure enough, no fuel cut. i was thoroughly confused so i just said mmmmk and nodded my head.
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96 Black ESi 91 Red TSI AWD (RIP) 02 WRX
"turnin wrenches for nine hours in the pouring rain, just to get the beast up and running again"
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#83748, "RE: HELP! STAR QUESTION!" In response to Reply # 0
my star kit never came with a map sensor bypass(missing link or FCD) and my 96 was fine never needed it. Most guys on here with 96's actually need them.
#83750, "RE: HELP! STAR QUESTION!" In response to Reply # 8
Originally posted by Star Turbo Talon my star kit never came with a map sensor bypass(missing link or FCD) and my 96 was fine never needed it. Most guys on here with 96's actually need them. Terry
Is yours the late fuel system(regulator by filter) or early fuel system?
#83751, "RE: HELP! STAR QUESTION!" In response to Reply # 9
Originally posted by rucr8z2
Originally posted by Star Turbo Talon my star kit never came with a map sensor bypass(missing link or FCD) and my 96 was fine never needed it. Most guys on here with 96's actually need them. Terry
Is yours the late fuel system(regulator by filter) or early fuel system?
i have a 96, late model fuel system, and i needed the missing link.
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96 Black ESi 91 Red TSI AWD (RIP) 02 WRX
"turnin wrenches for nine hours in the pouring rain, just to get the beast up and running again"
Aerospace Certified TIG welder for Precision Castparts in Portland, OR.
#83753, "RE: HELP! STAR QUESTION!" In response to Reply # 10
I'm pretty sure that you can't run a missing link with a SAFC? From personal experience with my 95' on the dyno. One reads MAP, the other manipulates MAP.
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#83754, "RE: HELP! STAR QUESTION!" In response to Reply # 12
Originally posted by SilverBullet20g I'm pretty sure that you can't run a missing link with a SAFC? From personal experience with my 95' on the dyno. One reads MAP, the other manipulates MAP.
I'm not running a sfmu just the fmu that comes with the kit.
#83756, "RE: HELP! STAR QUESTION!" In response to Reply # 12
Originally posted by SilverBullet20g I'm pretty sure that you can't run a missing link with a SAFC? From personal experience with my 95' on the dyno. One reads MAP, the other manipulates MAP.
Actually, one does both and the other does neither. They work perfectly fine in conjunction, and it's actually easier with a missing link + SAFC than it is with an electrical FCD + SAFC.
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#83760, "RE: HELP! STAR QUESTION!" In response to Reply # 14 Mar-15-05 10:52 AM by turbo8u
Originally posted by DarkOne They work perfectly fine in conjunction, and it's actually easier with a missing link + SAFC than it is with an electrical FCD + SAFC.
true, because the missing link works mechanically by not letting the map see a positive pressure and the FCD works electronically (as does the SAFC) to confuse the map into thinking its not seeing boost. at one point i had an SAFC, FCD and a missing link...my car was tuned like ass, lol
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96 Black ESi 91 Red TSI AWD (RIP) 02 WRX
"turnin wrenches for nine hours in the pouring rain, just to get the beast up and running again"
Aerospace Certified TIG welder for Precision Castparts in Portland, OR.
#83762, "RE: HELP! STAR QUESTION!" In response to Reply # 14
Originally posted by DarkOne
Originally posted by SilverBullet20g I'm pretty sure that you can't run a missing link with a SAFC? From personal experience with my 95' on the dyno. One reads MAP, the other manipulates MAP.
Actually, one does both and the other does neither. They work perfectly fine in conjunction, and it's actually easier with a missing link + SAFC than it is with an electrical FCD + SAFC.
HAHA yea there was a thread saying the same thing on tuners, and i didnt understand why it would work that ways since ones mechanical and one is electrical. well i came on here, found out for sure, and then told them they were wrong lol
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