My star stage II kit came the other day and was short the down pipe and the black box.. Anyways I got a hold of the vender and he said that there was an error in packing the box and that the DP would be air shipped out this wed. but he said that my 96 rs did not need the map bypass(according to whomever he spoke to at star?)But my question is that if my 96 has the late fuel system and would I need the map sensor bypass(aka little black box) or run it without any? I thought only 95's didn't need it? Either way according to him I will not be getting one! Should I just get a missing link?Oh yeah I'm not running a sfmu just the fmu that came with the kit.What should I do?

He's wrong. Only the 95's don't need the black box.

Originally posted by DarkOne
He's wrong. Only the 95's don't need the black box.

you know whats weird...i thought the same exact thing until at the SoCal meet i went for a ride in 97 with a stage 2 star kit and it had no map clamp or missing link...i showed thedawg (dan) and he too was scratching his head. the car didnt buck or anything and went into boost just fine...i was so confused

Originally posted by turbo8u

Originally posted by DarkOne He's wrong. Only the 95's don't need the black box.

you know whats weird...i thought the same exact thing until at the SoCal meet i went for a ride in 97 with a stage 2 star kit and it had no map clamp or missing link...i showed thedawg (dan) and he too was scratching his head. the car didnt buck or anything and went into boost just fine...i was so confused

yeah, i have a friend with a 97 Talon that i don't hang out with near enough that never ran one, and didn't seem to fuel cut consistantly. Usually, not at all. No idea why.

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The map voltage reduction functionality of an SAFC controlling larger injectors will do this. The ECU won't see a full 4.7v until the SAFC compensation reachs some single digit negative correction value.. -4% or -3% or something. I beleive that's what I determined was causing the lack of fuel cut on Jury's car.. because once he started turning up the boost, it would consistantly fuel cut..

So should I go with the missing link just in case because he's not sending the black box?

Originally posted by rucr8z2
So should I go with the missing link just in case because he's not sending the black box?

i would yea, fuel cut is no fun

Thanks for the valued info guys. One missing link coming up!

dino, that makes perfect sense.

but on this guys car, he didnt even have an SAFC...and also had stock injectors. i was like dude you need to take me for a ride, i dont believe this thing wont fuel cut...sure enough, no fuel cut. i was thoroughly confused so i just said mmmmk and nodded my head.

my star kit never came with a map sensor bypass(missing link or FCD) and my 96 was fine never needed it. Most guys on here with 96's actually need them.

Terry

Originally posted by Star Turbo Talon
my star kit never came with a map sensor bypass(missing link or FCD) and my 96 was fine never needed it. Most guys on here with 96's actually need them. Terry

Is yours the late fuel system(regulator by filter) or early fuel system?

Originally posted by rucr8z2

Originally posted by Star Turbo Talon my star kit never came with a map sensor bypass(missing link or FCD) and my 96 was fine never needed it. Most guys on here with 96's actually need them. Terry

Is yours the late fuel system(regulator by filter) or early fuel system?

i have a 96, late model fuel system, and i needed the missing link.

That's what I thought. I'm ordering one tonight because it's better safe than sorry! Points awarded!

I'm pretty sure that you can't run a missing link with a SAFC? From personal experience with my 95' on the dyno. One reads MAP, the other manipulates MAP.

Originally posted by SilverBullet20g
I'm pretty sure that you can't run a missing link with a SAFC? From personal experience with my 95' on the dyno. One reads MAP, the other manipulates MAP.

I'm not running a sfmu just the fmu that comes with the kit.

Originally posted by SilverBullet20g
I'm pretty sure that you can't run a missing link with a SAFC? From personal experience with my 95' on the dyno. One reads MAP, the other manipulates MAP.

Actually, one does both and the other does neither. They work perfectly fine in conjunction, and it's actually easier with a missing link + SAFC than it is with an electrical FCD + SAFC.

Originally posted by DarkOne
They work perfectly fine in conjunction, and it's actually easier with a missing link + SAFC than it is with an electrical FCD + SAFC.

true, because the missing link works mechanically by not letting the map see a positive pressure and the FCD works electronically (as does the SAFC) to confuse the map into thinking its not seeing boost. at one point i had an SAFC, FCD and a missing link...my car was tuned like ass, lol

Originally posted by DarkOne

Originally posted by SilverBullet20g I'm pretty sure that you can't run a missing link with a SAFC? From personal experience with my 95' on the dyno. One reads MAP, the other manipulates MAP.

Actually, one does both and the other does neither. They work perfectly fine in conjunction, and it's actually easier with a missing link + SAFC than it is with an electrical FCD + SAFC.

HAHA yea there was a thread saying the same thing on tuners, and i didnt understand why it would work that ways since ones mechanical and one is electrical. well i came on here, found out for sure, and then told them they were wrong lol

I have the late model fuel system on my 96.

Terry