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extreme97nt	Feb-24-05 01:11 AM
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#83078, "Log Vs. Equal Length"

Has any one done a dyno comparison of the two yet on our motors? I remember some one mentioning it a while back but didnt remember if they went through with it or not. Also who was the person who made the equal length manifolds and how much were they?

best time so far 14.3 @ 101.1mph(no traction)
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RE: Log Vs. Equal Length, thedawg, Feb-24-05 07:21 AM, #1

RE: Log Vs. Equal Length, Steve, Feb-24-05 07:24 AM, #2

RE: Log Vs. Equal Length, Global Ruler Of All Things

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DarkOne, Feb-24-05 07:52 AM, #3

RE: Log Vs. Equal Length, Uberingram, Feb-24-05 09:26 AM, #4

RE: Log Vs. Equal Length, GSGoinFast, Feb-24-05 09:31 AM, #5

RE: Log Vs. Equal Length, extreme97nt, Feb-24-05 12:41 PM, #6

RE: Log Vs. Equal Length, Global Ruler Of All Things

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DarkOne, Feb-24-05 01:05 PM, #7

RE: Log Vs. Equal Length, BlueMoonEclipse, Feb-24-05 05:26 PM, #8

RE: Log Vs. Equal Length, SilverBullet20g, Feb-25-05 04:06 AM, #9

RE: Log Vs. Equal Length, Initial DSM, Mar-05-05 01:40 AM, #10

RE: Log Vs. Equal Length, extreme97nt, Mar-05-05 04:57 AM, #11

RE: Log Vs. Equal Length, Initial DSM, Mar-05-05 08:03 PM, #12

RE: Log Vs. Equal Length, Dirty, Mar-06-05 05:49 AM, #13

RE: Log Vs. Equal Length, TKI, Mar-06-05 06:08 AM, #14

RE: Log Vs. Equal Length, Initial DSM, Mar-06-05 12:47 PM, #15

RE: Log Vs. Equal Length, extreme97nt, Mar-06-05 01:02 PM, #16

RE: Log Vs. Equal Length, Initial DSM, Mar-06-05 01:12 PM, #17

RE: Log Vs. Equal Length, BigBald, Mar-07-05 03:18 AM, #18

RE: Log Vs. Equal Length, GSGoinFast, Mar-07-05 04:30 AM, #19

RE: Log Vs. Equal Length, run4cvr, Mar-07-05 09:49 AM, #20

RE: Log Vs. Equal Length, 97whitESi, Mar-07-05 09:58 AM, #21

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RE: Log Vs. Equal Length, SilverBullet20g, Mar-07-05 11:30 AM, #23

RE: Log Vs. Equal Length, BigBald, Mar-08-05 04:52 AM, #24

RE: Log Vs. Equal Length, Initial DSM, Mar-08-05 06:15 AM, #25

RE: Log Vs. Equal Length, SilverBullet20g, Mar-08-05 08:35 AM, #26

RE: Log Vs. Equal Length, run4cvr, Mar-08-05 09:21 AM, #27

RE: Log Vs. Equal Length, BigBald, Mar-08-05 10:55 AM, #28

RE: Log Vs. Equal Length, SilverBullet20g, Mar-08-05 12:57 PM, #29

thedawg	Feb-24-05 07:21 AM
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#83086, "RE: Log Vs. Equal Length"
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None of the equal length manifolds for our car have stayed in one piece long enough to make it to a dyno session.

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Steve	Feb-24-05 07:24 AM
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#83087, "RE: Log Vs. Equal Length"
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What happend to xtrickedeclipse's mani?didnt that hold up?

Steve-o
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DarkOne	Feb-24-05 07:52 AM
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#83089, "RE: Log Vs. Equal Length"
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NEWS FLASH! Equal length manifolds flow better than log style! FILM AT 11!

This is a "No Shit." kind of topic.

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Uberingram	Feb-24-05 09:26 AM
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#83097, "RE: Log Vs. Equal Length"
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Originally posted by DarkOne
NEWS FLASH! Equal length manifolds flow better than log style! FILM AT 11! This is a "No Shit." kind of topic.

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GSGoinFast	Feb-24-05 09:31 AM
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#83099, "RE: Log Vs. Equal Length"
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Originally posted by Uberingram

Originally posted by DarkOne NEWS FLASH! Equal length manifolds flow better than log style! FILM AT 11! This is a "No Shit." kind of topic.

haha i need to get photoshop

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extreme97nt	Feb-24-05 12:41 PM
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#83106, "RE: Log Vs. Equal Length"
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Originally posted by Uberingram

Originally posted by DarkOne NEWS FLASH! Equal length manifolds flow better than log style! FILM AT 11! This is a "No Shit." kind of topic.

It is obvious they flow better, I just wanted to see if there were any numbers yet. Like I said I thought some one was doing it. Who makes one for our car that stays together though. I saw an SSautochrome one but who knows? Imight have to try and make my own.

best time so far 14.3 @ 101.1mph(no traction)
www.cnnmotorsports.com

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DarkOne	Feb-24-05 01:05 PM
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#83107, "RE: Log Vs. Equal Length"
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Originally posted by extreme97nt
Who makes one for our car that stays together though.

No one.

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BlueMoonEclipse	Feb-24-05 05:26 PM
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#83112, "RE: Log Vs. Equal Length"
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Any self respecting shop that makes a good one will cost you in the 500+ range......unless you know how to master TIG welding and using 321 (not 304) stainless which is the material recomended in turbo aps...

vote for your choice of body style for Bluie!! http://www.cardomain.com/id/bluemooneclipse

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SilverBullet20g	Feb-25-05 04:06 AM
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#83119, "RE: Log Vs. Equal Length"
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Originally posted by DarkOne

Originally posted by extreme97nt Who makes one for our car that stays together though.

No one.

No one YET...

Good ones are around 1k plus from Full-Race and TorqueFreaks. Both options require that you bring them the car for fabrication until a production piece is made. So if you live near AZ/OR you are fine..

I tried to get more people to support this but only one or two of you guys posted here:
http://wakesports.com/full-race/index.php?showtopic=383

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Initial DSM	Mar-05-05 01:40 AM
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#83364, "RE: Log Vs. Equal Length"
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Once you start adding big turbos on our cars and equal length runners, space becomes an issue. I dont have equal length but its a tubular design.

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extreme97nt	Mar-05-05 04:57 AM
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#83365, "RE: Log Vs. Equal Length"
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Pics?

best time so far 14.3 @ 101.1mph(no traction)
www.cnnmotorsports.com

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Initial DSM	Mar-05-05 08:03 PM
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#83377, "RE: Log Vs. Equal Length"
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Originally posted by extreme97nt
Pics?

best time so far 14.3 @ 101.1mph(no traction) www.cnnmotorsports.com

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Dirty	Mar-06-05 05:49 AM
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#83382, "RE: Log Vs. Equal Length"
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Who made that? I like it.

"Natty Ride"

http://dirty.thisfreedumb.com/

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TKI	Mar-06-05 06:08 AM
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#83383, "RE: Log Vs. Equal Length"
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Wow, that is a nice manifold! Where could I get one at???

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Initial DSM	Mar-06-05 12:47 PM
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#83396, "RE: Log Vs. Equal Length"
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I dont think they are in business anymore.

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extreme97nt	Mar-06-05 01:02 PM
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#83397, "RE: Log Vs. Equal Length"
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Was that fast fabrications manifold?

best time so far 14.3 @ 101.1mph(no traction)
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Initial DSM	Mar-06-05 01:12 PM
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#83398, "RE: Log Vs. Equal Length"
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Originally posted by extreme97nt
Was that fast fabrications manifold?

best time so far 14.3 @ 101.1mph(no traction) www.cnnmotorsports.com

yup

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BigBald	Mar-07-05 03:18 AM
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#83419, "RE: Log Vs. Equal Length"
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bah...who needs space....tubular manifolds all the way.....

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GSGoinFast	Mar-07-05 04:30 AM
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#83423, "RE: Log Vs. Equal Length"
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Originally posted by Initial DSM

Originally posted by extreme97nt Pics?

best time so far 14.3 @ 101.1mph(no traction) www.cnnmotorsports.com

is that just a stock manifold design made out of tubular material? with the custom bungee cord support bracket?

-Chris
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run4cvr	Mar-07-05 09:49 AM
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#83435, "RE: Log Vs. Equal Length"
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Originally posted by SilverBullet20g

Originally posted by DarkOne

Originally posted by extreme97nt Who makes one for our car that stays together though.

No one.

No one YET... Good ones are around 1k plus from Full-Race and TorqueFreaks. Both options require that you bring them the car for fabrication until a production piece is made. So if you live near AZ/OR you are fine.. I tried to get more people to support this but only one or two of you guys posted here: http://wakesports.com/full-race/index.php?showtopic=383

I went over to Full Race. They quoted me about $1200+ for the mani, and i would have to convert to a 'half' size radiator.

John 96 GS

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97whitESi	Mar-07-05 09:58 AM
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#83437, "RE: Log Vs. Equal Length"
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just use onna those...

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ner947	Mar-08-05 03:59 PM
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#83499, "RE: Log Vs. Equal Length"
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Originally posted by 97whitESi

just use onna those...

Ahahahaha... I haven't seen one of those in a long time.

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SilverBullet20g	Mar-07-05 11:30 AM
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#83441, "RE: Log Vs. Equal Length"
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Originally posted by run4cvr

Originally posted by SilverBullet20g

Originally posted by DarkOne

Originally posted by extreme97nt Who makes one for our car that stays together though.

No one.

No one YET... Good ones are around 1k plus from Full-Race and TorqueFreaks. Both options require that you bring them the car for fabrication until a production piece is made. So if you live near AZ/OR you are fine.. I tried to get more people to support this but only one or two of you guys posted here: http://wakesports.com/full-race/index.php?showtopic=383

I went over to Full Race. They quoted me about $1200+ for the mani, and i would have to convert to a 'half' size radiator.

That's funny they quoted me over email between 1000 and 1100...oh well.

1/2 size radiator? that's crap..

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(parting out 95 GS)

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BigBald	Mar-08-05 04:52 AM
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#83468, "RE: Log Vs. Equal Length"
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You guys can't go with a Fluidyne and use pusher fans? Would that not clear enough space in the bay?

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1995 GST - Who the hell knows

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Initial DSM	Mar-08-05 06:15 AM
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#83469, "RE: Log Vs. Equal Length"
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Slimfans look like a must buy. I dont know if even the Fluidyne or Griffin radiator would still fit.

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SilverBullet20g	Mar-08-05 08:35 AM
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#83473, "RE: Log Vs. Equal Length"
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Originally posted by BigBald
You guys can't go with a Fluidyne and use pusher fans? Would that not clear enough space in the bay?

That's what I have on right now and I'm waiting for the manifold to be built so we will see..

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run4cvr	Mar-08-05 09:21 AM
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#83477, "RE: Log Vs. Equal Length"
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Here is how much room i have with a Griffin and stock fans.

Here is a bad pic of what Full Race sugggested i go with to make it easier to use their manifold.

John 96 GS

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BigBald	Mar-08-05 10:55 AM
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#83480, "RE: Log Vs. Equal Length"
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Personally i would dump the stock fans for the slimline. I wouldn't and don't use a A/C Fan at all.

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SilverBullet20g	Mar-08-05 12:57 PM
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#83491, "RE: Log Vs. Equal Length"
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Originally posted by BigBald
Personally i would dump the stock fans for the slimline. I wouldn't and don't use a A/C Fan at all.

Agree....

For the manifold placement with the runners, the main concern is the wastegate location:
The big advantage of using the FP series of turbos is that you can mount the wastegate on the turbo facing horizontal vs. on the manifold. Which allows more room for the runners. You also use V-bands which take up less space.

I don't know.. I guess we will see when the fab guy gets done with my car. He is suppose to start on it this week.

I just took these pictures today when I dropped off my new 44mm Tial wastegate. The car is ready and waiting for a new manifold!

Pic of the front:

Waiting for the manifold:

Simplicity of V-bands with my wastegate:

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