ok so i was sitting in auto class today talking to a guy who just got a GS-T and i realized something... i know how to weld... i also have my old exhaust manifold... things started clicking and heres my idea

to start with im poor so i cant buy a kit. but im thinking i can cut the flange off the old exhaust manifold, port the openings a little bit with a dremel, and then make a custom exhaust manifold. i have a mig welder and oxy welder at my disposal. i was thinking of making one like Lickscissor's manifold.

i also have a limitless supply of sheets of steel i can use, which im thinking of matching up with the turbo to make the flange for the manifold to turbo connection with the needed bolts(tell me if that wont work for some reason)

i was thinking of first junk yard hopping looking for a 14b, but if i cant find one then buying one on ebay, and changing the actuator spring. also buying a 1st gen 02 housing to use to match up the flanges to a downpipe that i will make. then buy some piping to make some intercooler pipes for the GS-T smic i can use cuz a friends bro doesnt need it anymore, and using his 1st gen bov.

ok now im thinking all thats left is oil lines, with proper fittings, vaccume lines, missing link, and of course a s-fmu(will that come with the needed fuel lines or not?). oh yeah and a boost gauge and mbc.

im not sure if im missing something big but this seems like it will be pretty cheap, and i think im fully capable of doing that custom work. tell me what you guys think.. i started searching but there were a lot of results that werent too on target and i was too giddy to keep searching lol.

my estimates on pricing right now look like it will be in the range of $500-$600... i can definately afford that... you guys think thats do-able? im excited now!! lol

thanks for the help, sorry its so long

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

A 14b will bolt up to a stock manifold

Good luck making a DP clear the AC, though.

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Originally posted by DarkOne
A 14b will bolt up to a stock manifold Good luck making a DP clear the AC, though.

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

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-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

since when does a 14B fit onto our stock manifold? haha hell I should try that. I don't have an AC to have to clear.

1995 Eagle Talon ESi

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'99 Eclipse RS-T (daily beater)
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getty up

-kent-




'98 Talon...gone, but not forgotten

one of the 2.4 true pionners

so i decided that im gonna do a practice one with a steel flange first. if it turns out half way decent ill use it. so im gonna go trace the flange of my exhaust manifold on a piece of paper, and then trace it onto some steel at school and cut it out. then im thinking after i get all the piping on the manifold worked out, ill go buy a 1st gen turbo gasket, and use that to make the flange. and then weld that bitch on there.

i still have a couple questions, but im gonna go search first then if i cant find an answer ill come back. thanks for the help so far. im excited lol

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

Does anyone have any pics of bolting the 14b right on to the stock exhaust mani? that is insane!

ok well i finished making the stencil for the block flange. but i have no idea how im going to cut it out because our plasma cutter doesnt have a tip right now for some reason... any suggestions on how to cut it out? im sure we will get a new tip soon but i wanna start on this thing right away. im planning on cutting it out roughly with the plasma cutter and then using a grinder to make it perfect. well if i cant cut it out tomarrow maybe ill start on the piping. i dunno we'll see what happens. we also have a CNC and CAD machines too, but im not sure if there just for learning puproses or if they are of any real world use. that would be insteresting, ill have to find that out. anyways, ill start it tomarrow.

oh yeah i did forget one thing in my set up, a fuel pump. no biggie, $100 for a 255. wish me luck ill let you know how it goes.

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

Hey, what's wrong with violently quick spool on a turbo? If it spools too fast, use a bigger turbo!

Why am I the only person who thinks of these things?

Since I have several years experience in the CNC field and work in it currently I will tell you, these machines are not toys and aren't intended for someone that doesn't know machine work or how to program one. They are very expensive pieces of machinery to put it lightly. The one I run currently cost just a hair under $1,000,000.

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

As food for thought... you made mention that money was an issue and that you figure roughly $500-600 in it. There will always be something unforseen and before long you will have doubled that number. If you have all intent in proceeding, make sure you keep a little side fund available. Good luck with the project, it should be a fun experience.


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boosted 420a and ej2o..(my 2liter v8 eaters)

Originally posted by corsagsbo
As food for thought... you made mention that money was an issue and that you figure roughly $500-600 in it. There will always be something unforseen and before long you will have doubled that number. If you have all intent in proceeding, make sure you keep a little side fund available. Good luck with the project, it should be a fun experience. -------------------------------------- know me as santiago boosted 420a and ej2o..(my 2liter v8 eaters)

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

one of the 2.4 true pionners

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

1995 Eagle Talon ESi

why dont u just use your stock 420a mani and get an adapter plate made to bolt a turbo on to it. i did this and it works very well 6.5 Psi i am running and it spools up fast as ever and works great. no probs and i saved alot on a mani. i got the stock one for 18$ on ebay. not as pretty as a aftermarket but works none the less. plate was only 25$ from local machine shop.

91 civic hatch, homemade turbo+ LS motor = 12 sec street car.

got a picture of the adapter plate? I know a lot of Honda guys use them with no problems

1995 Eagle Talon ESi

i have no pics but i can scan the paper template i used for the shop to cut it out from . but basically its a square with a notch out for my anti freeze line in one corner with 5 holes in it where my turbo bolts to it and where it bolts to the mani. urs will have diff hole patterns since i used a subaru turbo but it not hard to make at all.

91 civic hatch, homemade turbo+ LS motor = 12 sec street car.

Is this kinda what you guys are talking about?

Originally posted by ajcfalcon
Is this kinda what you guys are talking about?

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Looks like some mechanical nightmare critter than a turbo setup.

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Originally posted by DarkOne

Originally posted by ajcfalcon Is this kinda what you guys are talking about?

Lookie there, a 14b bolted to a stock manifold. Who'd have thought.

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

yep i did same thing but with a subaru turbo.. and it works suprisingly well. im real happy withmy setup.

91 civic hatch, homemade turbo+ LS motor = 12 sec street car.

Cool.......i like that idea.....

ok i got a question. i thought i read it on here somewhere but upon searching i couldnt find it. can i make the oil feed line out of copper brake line? otherwise i could use the 4AN ss braided lines from my nitrous kit but i would rather not since it would be hard to sell(if i do) without those lines. thanks for any and all help.

also for the connection to the oil pan... would i use something like this? http://www.sweetperformance.com/cart/product_info.php?cPath=14&products_id=25

what other fittings from that site could i use or should i get?

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

i was gonna go with stock injectors for now, but my friends bro has some extra 550's, you think these would be too big or could i get away with it if i have a lower ratio fmu? what ratio fmu should i go with with stock injectors? 10:1? thanks

-Chris

**EDIT** BLAH! i cant figure out if i should just go with a regular vortec fmu or the Sfmu. im trying to save money so do you think it is worth the extra $70 for the sfmu? ive been searching but i cant decide. thanks

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

"Natty Ride"


http://dirty.thisfreedumb.com/

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

The best advice I got for my custom turbo setup was... 30LB Injectors, Wablro 255 and Vortech FMU. Set me back $200, no biggie

From Slow to Whoa!

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

Sorry, i didnt mean to "steal your thread" but i just though i would provide a visual since that was the topic...

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

I could be wrong (since I run MS), but it was my impression that the S-FMU was adjustable, and the regular FMU wasn't.


I'd be wary of using brake lines for oil feed. It doesn't seem that they'd have the flow you'd need to supply the turbo. Remember, they're build for low flow, high pressure. You need low(er) pressure, high flow for the oil. I got my coolant lines (SS) from Summit. (Oil from Turbosunleashed.com, but that's not for a 14b turbo, and they were kinda expensive)

Brian

Red 97 Eclipse GS (420a) MTX
Custom Garrett T3 Turbo system
Megasquirt w/52 lb/hr injectors & a Walbro 255
Kicker/Alpine Audio (3 amps, 2 subs)
90 Cav 2.2 TBI auto (winter) <- yeah, it's fast

Not to hate on you, but you keep mentioning that you are on a tight budget, if you don't have the fundage to do it right then wait and save. More money equals better in the long run, i.e. $3200= bad ass after-market turbo kit thats proven and will be less likely to blow your shit up, $1500= pieced together random parts that will work if you are a guru and know your shit, $500-$600= well... I think you see where Im going. If you're doing this for fun and it's just a project to learn stuff then you should definately go forth and see it through, but don't put a $500 turbo kit on your car if you can't afford to replace the engine if and when it blows. Having said that you will now ignore me so good luck on your project and I honestly hope that it turns out well for you, maybe you'll get something out of this that will produce a new worthwile product for our cars.

Representing the Central Cali chapter of 2GNT!
(I think I'm the only member )

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

no high temp paint in the world will last on a turbo manifold. I think the only good way to keep it looking nice is ceramic coating, and even then it will look shady after a years worth of abuse.

The T3 with the smaller a/r .48-.42 will do nothing but disappoint you. Looks for something in the .60-.62/8 range for fun driving.

Good luck with this.

Kevin
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The new:

Just a couple things Chris. Then I'll shut up

I'd suggest looking at an A/F gauge and an EGT gauge. I know they're kinda expensive, but you'll need your A/F to tune, and your EGT to make sure you don't melt pistons. They're relatively cheap insurance.


Glad to hear you didn't use brake lines for oil

Lastly, I noticed that earlier you said you'd use exhaust couplers/T's for the manifold. Unless I'm picturing these wrong (and I certainly could be), I don't think they'll handle the heat without warping, and I know they couldn't support the weight of a turbo. Alain made mine, and he did a great job, using thick elbows and T's. You might want to think about that (just food for thought) and supporting your turbo if you use the pipes I'm thinking about.

Oh, and don't bother painting it, it won't last

I know no one wants to see you do it wrong and screw something up in the process. Good luck bro.

Brian

Red 97 Eclipse GS (420a) MTX
Custom Garrett T3 Turbo system
Megasquirt w/52 lb/hr injectors & a Walbro 255
Kicker/Alpine Audio (3 amps, 2 subs)
90 Cav 2.2 TBI auto (winter) <- yeah, it's fast

Originally posted by ForceFed420a
Just a couple things Chris. Then I'll shut up I'd suggest looking at an A/F gauge and an EGT gauge. I know they're kinda expensive, but you'll need your A/F to tune, and your EGT to make sure you don't melt pistons. They're relatively cheap insurance. Glad to hear you didn't use brake lines for oil Lastly, I noticed that earlier you said you'd use exhaust couplers/T's for the manifold. Unless I'm picturing these wrong (and I certainly could be), I don't think they'll handle the heat without warping, and I know they couldn't support the weight of a turbo. Alain made mine, and he did a great job, using thick elbows and T's. You might want to think about that (just food for thought) and supporting your turbo if you use the pipes I'm thinking about. Oh, and don't bother painting it, it won't last I know no one wants to see you do it wrong and screw something up in the process. Good luck bro. Brian

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

T3... .48A/R compressor housing with a T3 50trim wheel (different than a 50 trim t04e wheel) and a .48a/r exhaust housing with a stage 1 wheel.

Good luck with the manifold. I hope it doesn't crack or warp or anything. I'm glad to hear you already have the other gauges

Brian


PS. I hoped mine would take two weeks too. hehe, nope

Red 97 Eclipse GS (420a) MTX
Custom Garrett T3 Turbo system
Megasquirt w/52 lb/hr injectors & a Walbro 255
Kicker/Alpine Audio (3 amps, 2 subs)
90 Cav 2.2 TBI auto (winter) <- yeah, it's fast

Originally posted by ForceFed420a
T3... .48A/R compressor housing with a T3 50trim wheel (different than a 50 trim t04e wheel) and a .48a/r exhaust housing with a stage 1 wheel. Good luck with the manifold. I hope it doesn't crack or warp or anything. I'm glad to hear you already have the other gauges Brian PS. I hoped mine would take two weeks too. hehe, nope

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

I'm pretty sure I've read that the Star kit FMU comes with 12:1 disk. Thats the one I got since I'm also going to be running with stock injecotrs.

Originally posted by GSGoinFast

Originally posted by ForceFed420a T3... .48A/R compressor housing with a T3 50trim wheel (different than a 50 trim t04e wheel) and a .48a/r exhaust housing with a stage 1 wheel. Good luck with the manifold. I hope it doesn't crack or warp or anything. I'm glad to hear you already have the other gauges Brian PS. I hoped mine would take two weeks too. hehe, nope

do you think the .42/.48 will be fine for me for now running 6-7psi?

Red 97 Eclipse GS (420a) MTX
Custom Garrett T3 Turbo system
Megasquirt w/52 lb/hr injectors & a Walbro 255
Kicker/Alpine Audio (3 amps, 2 subs)
90 Cav 2.2 TBI auto (winter) <- yeah, it's fast

hey, i noticed after i won the bidding that there looks like there could be a little oil in the exhaust houseing... im praying it doesnt leak cuz i dont want to have to rebuild it... but it was only $100 so oh well. ya after searching till like one in the morning, i found that the star fmu has the 12:1, but thanks for answering that anyways lol. well, im waiting for confirmation on the turbo, i asked him to email me when he got the payment, and he got it 2 minutes after i won, but i havent heard from him. i emailed him again last night. oh well we will see what happens. i also got the tracking number for my bov.

thanks for all the help
-Chris

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

I don't know....

I'm down for the "BUDGET" turbo kit but shit, i only paind $200 for a nice custom manifold.

And that seems to be where most of your headaches are going to lye.

AFAIK, the SFMU is the best choice to tunabilty.

Good luck dOod.

I eat emo kids for breakfast

1995 Eagle Talon (SOLD)
72' SuperBeetle
72' Standard Beetle
56' Deluxe Beetle

ok im worried the manifold will fail which would make the whole thing a big waste of time, plus id have to start over and have a lot of down time when it does fail, so im gonna go with the weld el idea.

ok i found the place to get them, and everyone seems to get them here. www.mcmaster.com ok so this is the ones i picked out

"Unthreaded Steel Butt-Weld Pipe Fitting-Sch40 1-1/2" Pipe Size, 90 Deg Short Elbow, 1-1/2" Radius"

should i go with the short elbow, or get the long one. 1 and 1/2 radius seems like it would be big enough, but im not sure. what do you think? the long elbow is 2 and 1/4 inches... alain which do you think is best? thanks. oh yeah i also found the tees on there. the total for 2 elbows and 2 tees is $56... not that bad. can i mig weld these or oxy weld these? or do they have to be tig welded? thanks

-Chris

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

buy 2 tee and 2 regular elbows 1 1/2 id schedule 40 and a 420a flange
from a seller and you're done don't try to reinvent the log style manifold and stay away from short radius elbows

you could weld them with mig too

Alain

one of the 2.4 true pionners

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

http://www.turboflanges.com/MitsuDodge.htm

Scroll down to the third one on that page.

Tony

Ebay intake/Pacesetter header/OBX catback/PT lifters/PT clutch
AF/X UDP/crankscraper/Symborski shift kit/ shortened shifter
3KGT 16X8s

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway