Hey Everyone:

I'm thinking about buying a new motor from this place that offers a shortblock or longblock (valve cover to oil pan). I'm really considering the longblock, which comes with crane cams and the whole deal. I 'm wondering if there is any unwanted baggage that comes with upgrading your cams. The plus of it all is that I don't have to rip apart the block I have and put the stock top-end on the new bottom-end and it will have all aftermarket top-end. That makes my life easier.

It comes with custom JE's 8.1:1, eagle rods etc. even the high flow oil pump. so its a complete deal, just slap on the manifolds more or less. What do you think for under 4k?

Matt

Matt
NJ

sounds kinda expensive. 8.1:1 comp is lowww.

Well I can change it to whatever, but they said they sell that compression usually.

I have a super-16g, and plan to go 12-13psi when I get this motor. I originally wanted to get stock compression but a two people recommended a step under stock, which I thought was 8.1? What would you say? Where should the price be?

I mean, I'm not looking to tune to the point where my car will never pass inspection, so I don't want to go too far with this crap.

Matt
NJ

Well, howell's is almost 5K. It comes with everything you have mentioned, including the cams. Compression is 8.6

http://www.howellautomotive.com/Howell/Store/catalog/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=142_38_192&products_id=1607


My question is how reputable is this other place? Howell (although ships slow) is a good company to go with.

Brian

Red 97 Eclipse GS (420a) MTX
Custom Garrett T3 Turbo system
Megasquirt w/52 lb/hr injectors & a Walbro 255
Kicker/Alpine Audio (3 amps, 2 subs)
90 Cav 2.2 TBI auto (winter) <- yeah, it's fast

Yeah I looked howell's over.

It seems with the place I got they give you a fully rounded motor.
Lets put it this way, for a guy who wants more of a street car, is it worth getting the top end? I mean, for what I have planned 350hp is the most i'll care to push in the end.
Can anyone tell me how the top end will truly benefit me?
We're talking a $1600 dollar difference compared to the bottom-only.

Matt
NJ

a rebuild short block will run around 1600 add timing 2000.

head will run you between 600-1200 depsending on what is all upgraded.

stock compresson is 9.6:1
most turbo people go with 8.8:1

i think its basically this simple...if you can afford the longblock, get it. better to replace everything at once if you can. trust me, once you get a built engine, ans start boosting...you WILL want more power, and it will be found with cams/cam gears/ etc. if you cant afford it, or it will be very tight financially, get the shortblock and you can always upgrade later. cams, lifters/rockers, and cam gears are easy to add. you will notice a power difference with cams...plus the idle is nice.


1997 Silver RS
Built
T3/T4 BB Turbo
20psi
Most current 1/8th mile time: 8.1@93mph 2.015 60'
1996 Black Supra TT
2004 Silver Snake

thanks for your reply.

Money is basically what is the deciding factor here. Dropping 4k puts a dent in the wallet before I even begin the install, where buying the block for $2400 will cost me about $3400-3600 by the time its installed.

Someone mentioned earlier i can get a rebuilt block for $1600-$2000, can anyone tell me where?

Does anyone know a good place to take your DSM in central new jersey or of anyone wanting to make some money? (long block or short block willingness?)

Matt
NJ

I dont know how "comfortable? you are in turning your own wrenches...but if you buy a pre-built shortblock, it isnt very hard at all to swap your old head onto it. Heck, even easier would be if you bought the entire long-block...then you would just basically have to pull the old engine, and install the new one. if you got a lift, or access to one, you can knock that out in a day. even if you decide to have a mechanic do it...if you provide the new longblock to him, i would not pay anymore than 500 bucks labor for what is basically a simple engine swap to them. Goodluck man.


1997 Silver RS
Built
T3/T4 BB Turbo
20psi
Most current 1/8th mile time: 8.1@93mph 2.015 60'
1996 Black Supra TT
2004 Silver Snake

I am comfortable doing almost anything as long as I have enough beer.

But seriously, I would be interested in doing it myself for the experience but I have no idea what specific tools I'll need if any, and what other baggage comes along with the job.

are there instructions out there I can look over to see if I want to take it on?

Matt
NJ