Okay the scoop is......I'm not gonna get into this thing for a lot. But I need boost. I have a sponsor who is willing to give me 1000-1200 for whatever I want.

Now, I will still have a stock bottom end. But once it's pulled and if the pistons and rods look good, we're just gonna hone the cylinder walls and re-ring the pistons.

If the piston and/or rods don't look to hot (only 90K miles) then my dad can get a full set of stockers w/ rods for $500 (compared to almost 1000 700 eagles and 150 rings)

I've got 150 across the board because of shitty rings (leakdown). My car is parked at the shop as of this coming weekend. So we're gonna start soon. I should have my sponsor check in the bank next week also.

Now the turbo part.

what do i do? I've searched tons.

With stock internals i'm thinking 5,6,7,8 psi?????

so do i go with a smaller quick 14b or T25 or a larger T3

Whats the diff between alains t3 and a 14b mani? just the flange?

I can get alain's last mani with a T3 flange or something else? i'm so confused.

What kind of BOV? there's so many? Will venting to the atmosphere cause my car to run shitty/rich at idle? Do I need an S-AFC?

I'm thinking fuel system, 370cc with S-FMU. Simple. no Megasquirt yet.

i'm looking at a wideband and I have a Brand NEW Snap-On SOLUS scanner at the shop for tuning.

Exhaust will be handled at a custom shop in town. Do i go 2.5" or 3"?


Overall my goal is nothing crazy. I want this car to maybe roll 200+ horsepower and be sexy at the same time. The car is going to be painted and interior stripped and redone for a full summer consisting of 22 car shows.

I eat emo kids for breakfast

1995 Eagle Talon (SOLD)
72' SuperBeetle
72' Standard Beetle
56' Deluxe Beetle

Email me...we have MUCH to discuss.

uberingram@azsrt-4.com

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~Chris

forums.kaptainmyke.com/index.php?&act=garage&CODE=12&CID=8
- AGP CAI
- AGP EVM
- MOPAR Stage 1 ECU
- 500cc Injectors

And he wonders why he couldn't make her happy...and someone obviously hasnt moved on. lol

okay done.

it sounds like i'm in trouble

I eat emo kids for breakfast

1995 Eagle Talon (SOLD)
72' SuperBeetle
72' Standard Beetle
56' Deluxe Beetle

http://home.bendcable.com/optimuspeterson <<<<HRC Stage 2 and Star Instructions
95 Eclipse - SOLD | 93 BMW 318is - SOLD | 2000 S-10 Extreme on 20's - SOLD
93 Toyota/shaved/bagged/body dropped - SOLD | 97 GSX - SOLD
2006 Scion tC

2005 Legacy GT Ltd, Garnet Red Pearl
speak softly and spool a big turbo

And you can get a mani from Alain better than we can, since you're both up there in Canukistania.

"By three methods we may learn wisdom:
First, by reflection, which is noblest;
Second, by imitation, which is easiest;
and third by experience, which is the bitterest." - Confucius

Originally posted by DR1665v2
And you can get a mani from Alain better than we can, since you're both up there in Canukistania.

I eat emo kids for breakfast

1995 Eagle Talon (SOLD)
72' SuperBeetle
72' Standard Beetle
56' Deluxe Beetle

If you use any injectors besides the stock ones then a SAFC is pretty much a must when tuning otherwise there would be no point in upgrading if you aren't going to bother tuning your car.

EDIT: I edit the first part of my message thinking he was quoting me, woops.

http://home.bendcable.com/optimuspeterson <<<<HRC Stage 2 and Star Instructions
95 Eclipse - SOLD | 93 BMW 318is - SOLD | 2000 S-10 Extreme on 20's - SOLD
93 Toyota/shaved/bagged/body dropped - SOLD | 97 GSX - SOLD
2006 Scion tC

You have a long email from me mang.

__________________________________________
~Chris

forums.kaptainmyke.com/index.php?&act=garage&CODE=12&CID=8
- AGP CAI
- AGP EVM
- MOPAR Stage 1 ECU
- 500cc Injectors

And he wonders why he couldn't make her happy...and someone obviously hasnt moved on. lol

I am in the same boat blizare, What HP #'s should I expect from all stock motor with just the HRC Stage 2 kit running either 5 to 7 psi?

I don't plan on messing with injectors or anything to that nature. Just the HRC Stage 2 with the smic that comes with it and a 3" catback exhaust. So where would you say I would be HP wise?

I just recently had my headgasket replaced and they did a compression test and I talk with the guy and he said my motor was sound and had great compression in all cylinders.

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- 05 Subaru STi
- 97 eclipse gs (289whp w/ 276tq)

I eat emo kids for breakfast

1995 Eagle Talon (SOLD)
72' SuperBeetle
72' Standard Beetle
56' Deluxe Beetle

OKay, i'm gonna run a sidemount. Injen is hooking me up.

I eat emo kids for breakfast

1995 Eagle Talon (SOLD)
72' SuperBeetle
72' Standard Beetle
56' Deluxe Beetle

I have been reading about turbo's and talking with one of my local friends that works on Eclipses and has a 97 turbo'd 420A. He has been boostin for 3 years now. He tells me I don't need to worry about injectors if I only plan on running 5 to 7 psi. He said if I were to get injectors I would need a Safc, but he says I really don't need injectors if all I plan on running is 5 to 7 psi. Now if I plan on running more then that, yes I would want to upgrade the injectors along with some internal work as well.

I know I am not upgrading anything except the exhaust system after I put on my turbo kit. After a a year I plan on doing more so I am able to up the boost level to about 11 or 15 psi. Other then that I will stay stock at 5 to 7psi.

Hey man good luck with your setup. We can share BANME!ie turbo questions and experiences!

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- 05 Subaru STi
- 97 eclipse gs (289whp w/ 276tq)

You dont NEED bigger injectors, but why not add something like 330's and have that extra safety margin? They are not that much bigger so they can still be made to idle fine.

Has your friend ever looked at his fuel pressures? At the flow rates of his pump(s)? I would rather not be checking my fuel lines AS often ( you still want to check em no matter what).


I ran the Star for almost 50K miles and about 3-4yrs. @ 10Psi. It can be done, just very carefully.

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FOUNDER of the Central Cali chapter of 2GNT!
(I got kicked out after I refused to go Cow tiping) - Hehehe you know who this is for

i ran a star kit for many moons myself, with these mods-

-star stage 2
-bored 55mm TB
-crane #12 cams
-cam gears
-2.5" turboback exhaust w/ testpipe
-t3/t4 50trim, .63 A/R stage 2 exhaust turbo

i ran a 14.50@98.38 on 6.5psi in 93 degree heat- 2.29 60'

on the dyno- no i dont have a chart, dont ask for one

-at 9psi, 78 degree temps i made 217.4hp/212.8tq

seems that most people with the 16g and little other mods besides exhaust will only make 185-190hp@8-9psi...yes i had some other mods like cams, but basically the extra power is comming from the better turbo and downpipe that the star kit gives you.

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1999 Kalapana Black RS-T 14.50@98.38 sold. never forgotten
2003 Mustang GT 11.97@116.48 fun, yet impractical
2003 Escape better for 2 young children.

I eat emo kids for breakfast

1995 Eagle Talon (SOLD)
72' SuperBeetle
72' Standard Beetle
56' Deluxe Beetle

so you say with the HRC Stage 2 on stock motor and only a 3" catback will only give me 185 to 190hp @ 9 psi at the crank? That is only a 45 to 50hp gain from stock. So with only 5 to 7 psi I will only be gaining maybe 30 35hp total.

SHIT!!!

I thought I would actually gain more then that. Well I don't even know if its worth the money now. FUCK IT!!! NO Turbo for me then!

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- 05 Subaru STi
- 97 eclipse gs (289whp w/ 276tq)

2005 Legacy GT Ltd, Garnet Red Pearl
speak softly and spool a big turbo

Originally posted by 97whitESi

Originally posted by Aggression so you say with the HRC Stage 2 on stock motor and only a 3" catback will only give me 185 to 190hp @ 9 psi at the crank? That is only a 45 to 50hp gain from stock. So with only 5 to 7 psi I will only be gaining maybe 30 35hp total. SHIT!!! I thought I would actually gain more then that. Well I don't even know if its worth the money now. FUCK IT!!! NO Turbo for me then!

yes, because dynos measure hp at the crank remember our cars had about 110whp brand new, so thats more like a 100whp increase

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- 05 Subaru STi
- 97 eclipse gs (289whp w/ 276tq)

Originally posted by 420a-Tnthewerks

Originally posted by Aggression

Originally posted by 97whitESi

Originally posted by Aggression so you say with the HRC Stage 2 on stock motor and only a 3" catback will only give me 185 to 190hp @ 9 psi at the crank? That is only a 45 to 50hp gain from stock. So with only 5 to 7 psi I will only be gaining maybe 30 35hp total. SHIT!!! I thought I would actually gain more then that. Well I don't even know if its worth the money now. FUCK IT!!! NO Turbo for me then!

yes, because dynos measure hp at the crank remember our cars had about 110whp brand new, so thats more like a 100whp increase

Your mixing up HP with WHP. Its more like 50whp not a 100!

no, you actually got it mixed. when somebody says the dynoed it, it will probably mean WHP. stock = ~110WHP stage 2 w/exhaust = ~190WHP = an 80WHP gain. you WILL feel the difference

I eat emo kids for breakfast

1995 Eagle Talon (SOLD)
72' SuperBeetle
72' Standard Beetle
56' Deluxe Beetle

i'm in w/ you guys blizare and aggression....but i probably won't be boosting mine w/ the HRC kit until the summer, so i'm trying to learn as much as i can until then. btw aggression, did you get my PM about the bumper you have FS?

yes I got it and like I said there is another guy that has first dibs. If he backs out you got it bro!

I have been told so many different things, and I have don't so many searches and still haven't found a straight answer on it for sure.

Grain told me today it would be about 50 more hp then I have now stock. Now you say 80 more stock. I've searched and came up with nothing on this.

What is the real gain here?

LOL @ Blizare..."Can I bump it up to 8psi" LMAO!!! He doesn't have the kit yet and already going boost crazy! LMFAO ROFL!!!

Your too much man...

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- 05 Subaru STi
- 97 eclipse gs (289whp w/ 276tq)

I eat emo kids for breakfast

1995 Eagle Talon (SOLD)
72' SuperBeetle
72' Standard Beetle
56' Deluxe Beetle

i ran the HRC stage II w/ FMIC and a 2.5" exhaust when i had my car dyno'd at 10psi and got 190 WHP. that may not seem like much but i got 215 lb/ft torque. that's a BIG jump over stock. remeber hp for bragging rights but torque is what gets you down the road. on another note you probally want to replace your cluth if your turboing it. i did my fuel injectors and before i could even begin to tune it my clutch went out.

yes my runs were made on a stock bottom end.....and yes boost is worth the money...trust me...it makes a HUGE difference, 80hp gain is more then enough to feel it..

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1999 Kalapana Black RS-T 14.50@98.38 sold. never forgotten
2003 Mustang GT 11.97@116.48 fun, yet impractical
2003 Escape better for 2 young children.

All this talk about 80hp which is really nice, but I just saw a really sweet RX-7 and man did it sound and look NICE!!!

So when you break it down lets say you get a good deal on a HRC Stage 2 and you pay $2000 for it and you gain 80hp from it....that is roughly $27.50 per hp right?

So that will put me at 190whp right? OK I think I will do it!

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- 05 Subaru STi
- 97 eclipse gs (289whp w/ 276tq)

Crank hp is nothing but your whp is thing to be worried about you can have all the crank hp in the world but if it can't be transfered efficently to your transmission and then to the ground is the real matter. That why upgrading your your crank pulley to a light weight and alumium flywheel should be upgrade to those who really want to see the true power of their cars by reducing the stress of the motor to turn those heavy cast iron parts by using alumuim.

Also using these alumium parts allow you car to get to 190whp (for example) alot quicker than using cast iron parts.

Okay, I can get a T3 fairly cheap.

and i just won this stupid non intercooled charge pipe .

<---dumbass. I didn't want to run an intercooler anyways.

I'm buying....

Alain Manifold
GSX Sidemount
walbro 190
T3 - 42 A/R COMPRESSOR .48 A/R TURBINE w/ internal wastegate.
Vortech S-FMU
440 injectors ????
I can't decide on a BOV

what do i do about intercooler piping?


By the sounds of the prices I'll be getting the mani, turbo, S-MFU and injectors for FREE from the sponsorship.

Maybe I shouldn't be such a tightass.

I eat emo kids for breakfast

1995 Eagle Talon (SOLD)
72' SuperBeetle
72' Standard Beetle
56' Deluxe Beetle

Originally posted by 420a-Tnthewerks

Originally posted by Blizare Okay, I can get a T3 fairly cheap. and i just won this stupid non intercooled charge pipe . <---dumbass. I didn't want to run an intercooler anyways. I'm buying.... Alain Manifold GSX Sidemount walbro 190 T3 - 42 A/R COMPRESSOR .48 A/R TURBINE w/ internal wastegate. Vortech S-FMU 440 injectors ???? I can't decide on a BOV what do i do about intercooler piping? By the sounds of the prices I'll be getting the mani, turbo, S-MFU and injectors for FREE from the sponsorship. Maybe I shouldn't be such a tightass.

well, since you want to be difficult and go custom there's more than what you have listed involved. -440cc's are a bit overkill for ~7psi. -intercooler piping will have to be custom bent at a shop. -bov doesn't really matter for 7psi but examples: greddy type-s, hks ss, 1g, tial... -you'll probably want some kind of air filter and tubing. -oil lines -something like missing link -a properly flanged dp -exhaust system i'm probably forgetting things, it's late. oh, and i'm not diggin the 190lph fp by itself. better go 255lph.

I eat emo kids for breakfast

1995 Eagle Talon (SOLD)
72' SuperBeetle
72' Standard Beetle
56' Deluxe Beetle

_____________________________________
Scott
90' GSX, 06' Effo SSL

(parting out 95 GS)

I have a little different opinion but not too far different.

Stock bottom is good to 300chp so if your happy with that then stay there for now. As for the SFMU....i dont liekit i had it and sold it, same with AFC which i still have for sale. Looks nice but not accurate enough for me.

my advise is get a stage 2 kit either hahn or star. if you build you own that is ok too. Use the 12:1 FMU for a while at 5psi. Then save up for 8 injector setup. they are getting easy to come by with MS becommig more popular. for the money you will spend on a SFMU and AFC you can get a good used 8 injector setup ready to bolt on and have a very good fuel management system for future plans as well. Its very easy to tune. I wish i would have done this becasue i lost money selling my SFMU and I am stuck with the SAFC now.

Later if you build the bottom end you would not need to worry about the fuel system.

At first i had my star stage 2 at 5 psi for 2 years with the basic fuel setup and my EGT's were no higher than 1450. Wideband is a great idea as you know and techedge makes a great one at a perfect price.
Good luck

Terry

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- 05 Subaru STi
- 97 eclipse gs (289whp w/ 276tq)

Ok so you recommend that getting some 330cc injectors would be a good idea right? So then I would need a S-AFC correct? Well I searched for 330cc injectors and this is all I came up with.

Would this work and be ok for the setup I am doing?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7938074479&category=33554

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- 05 Subaru STi
- 97 eclipse gs (289whp w/ 276tq)

those are for a turbo car from the factory. i believe they are a diff impedience and will need to be modified. too much pain in the ass. someone might be able to tell u for sue but i believe that is the case. u need ones specifically to fit the 420a
hope this helps

I eat emo kids for breakfast

1995 Eagle Talon (SOLD)
72' SuperBeetle
72' Standard Beetle
56' Deluxe Beetle

I found 0 330cc or 335cc injectors on ebay. What is a decent price for these injectors?

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- 05 Subaru STi
- 97 eclipse gs (289whp w/ 276tq)

Some go in the for sale section for like 80 used.

Keep it low if you want to keep your stock bottom end. If you want to go crazy and play with the boost knob, then do a forged rebuild.

As for the aluminum stuff, You gain the hp from rev. faster and getting in the power band faster. You do loose some of the "smoothness" , in other words you will notice if you do a lot of daily driving in traffic.


As for that question about non-intercooled. Why in the hell not? You are sponsored, they can hook you up, if not, use the money saved from what you did get from your sponsor.

On a side note, Why have you guys not looked at the "things weve seen before section"? I know both of you have been around for a while and these things came up some time before you. Lots of info there.

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FOUNDER of the Central Cali chapter of 2GNT!
(I got kicked out after I refused to go Cow tiping) - Hehehe you know who this is for

I didn't read all the replies but if you want to make power and are spending money to put in new pistons and rings, why not spend a little extra and get forged pistons. i've heard of people running forged pistons on stock rods at 12psi. That'll make you happy

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HRC Stage II
w/walboro 155lph, 30# injectors
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