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jasonleeJan-06-04 03:43 PM
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#63102, "what can be done to increase performance of big 16g"




          

i recently purchased a used big 16g, and it needs a little work.. more shaft play than i want to mess around with, and i figured why not do whatever i can to make it all it can be...

any suggestions??

thanks!!

jason

  

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RE: what can be done to increase performance of big 16g, widebodied, Jan-06-04 03:47 PM, #1
RE: what can be done to increase performance of big 16g, fly1, Jan-06-04 04:15 PM, #2
      RE: what can be done to increase performance of big 16g, siueclipse, Jan-06-04 04:58 PM, #3
           RE: what can be done to increase performance of big 16g, thegame, Jan-07-04 01:00 AM, #4
                RE: what can be done to increase performance of big 16g, turbo8u, Jan-07-04 07:50 AM, #5
                RE: what can be done to increase performance of big 16g, fly1, Jan-07-04 12:41 PM, #6
RE: what can be done to increase performance of big 16g, jasonlee, Jan-07-04 09:35 AM, #7
RE: what can be done to increase performance of big 16g, turbo8u, Jan-07-04 09:46 AM, #8
      RE: what can be done to increase performance of big 16g, Cereal5, Jan-07-04 10:49 AM, #9
      RE: what can be done to increase performance of big 16g, widebodied, Jan-07-04 04:51 PM, #10
      RE: what can be done to increase performance of big 16g, jasonlee, Jan-07-04 08:20 PM, #11
           RE: what can be done to increase performance of big 16g, MotoFool, Jan-08-04 04:51 PM, #12
                RE: what can be done to increase performance of big 16g, jasonlee, Jan-08-04 06:48 PM, #13
RE: what can be done to increase performance of big 16g, TeamDeanoD, Jan-09-04 02:51 AM, #14
RE: what can be done to increase performance of big 16g, MotoFool, Jan-09-04 06:56 AM, #15

widebodiedJan-06-04 03:47 PM
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#63105, "RE: what can be done to increase performance of big 16g"
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send it in to hrc and get it converted to a 20g, with new internals for 400 bux

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fly1Jan-06-04 04:15 PM
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#63106, "RE: what can be done to increase performance of big 16g"
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Yup, a rebuilt alone can cost up to $250, why not just pay $400 to have it converted to a 20G emoji

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siueclipseJan-06-04 04:58 PM
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#63111, "RE: what can be done to increase performance of big 16g"
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keep in mind that the hrc turbos do have some shaft play.. oil goes around the shaft to keep it staight.



  

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thegameJan-07-04 01:00 AM
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#63124, "RE: what can be done to increase performance of big 16g"
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its only $400 to convert it? i thought it was more around $700.



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#63136, "RE: what can be done to increase performance of big 16g"
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3 inch downpipe and/or turn up the boost

how much power do you want to make? no use in spending the money on a 20g if you're not even going to use it to its full potential imo
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#63145, "RE: what can be done to increase performance of big 16g"
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Originally posted by thegame
its only $400 to convert it?


Yup, if you send your turbo them, they'll convert it to a 20G.

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jasonleeJan-07-04 09:35 AM
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#63138, "RE: what can be done to increase performance of big 16g"
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well, i may go with the 20g option. i am actually using this for a big project i have with a dodge avenger. using the 4g63 and the awd drive train swapping it all into my avenger.

and that car is heavier so i will need as much as i can get to make it go good.

other things i will be doing include bigger injectors, fmic, equal lenth header, high pressure fuel pump, then when i get everything done and in the avenger, i will start building a 6 bolt for it while i am using the 7 bolt.

sounds fun huh??

jason........ by the way, what kind of lag would the 20g give me in comparison to the 16g???

thanks

  

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#63139, "RE: what can be done to increase performance of big 16g"
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Originally posted by jasonlee
well, i may go with the 20g option. i am actually using this for a big project i have with a dodge avenger. using the 4g63 and the awd drive train swapping it all into my avenger. and that car is heavier so i will need as much as i can get to make it go good. other things i will be doing include bigger injectors, fmic, equal lenth header, high pressure fuel pump, then when i get everything done and in the avenger, i will start building a 6 bolt for it while i am using the 7 bolt. sounds fun huh?? jason........ by the way, what kind of lag would the 20g give me in comparison to the 16g??? thanks


thats a nightmare waiting to happen my friend. dont even attempt to make a 4g63 avenger AWD.

16g supports around 450hp i *think* if you're not going to go over that, dont upgrade the turbo. you will be wasting the 400 when you could have used that on a sick ass downpipe and ported exhaust manifold or something


think logically here, if you have a turbo...you can make power with that



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Originally posted by sarahdr1665
...some girls like the "nerdy" guys

  

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#63142, "RE: what can be done to increase performance of big 16g"
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I agree with ^^^. don't upgrade the turbo until you've reached the full potential of the one you have (or plan on reaching it soon)


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#63177, "RE: what can be done to increase performance of big 16g"
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Originally posted by turbo8u
Originally posted by jasonlee well, i may go with the 20g option. i am actually using this for a big project i have with a dodge avenger. using the 4g63 and the awd drive train swapping it all into my avenger. and that car is heavier so i will need as much as i can get to make it go good. other things i will be doing include bigger injectors, fmic, equal lenth header, high pressure fuel pump, then when i get everything done and in the avenger, i will start building a 6 bolt for it while i am using the 7 bolt. sounds fun huh?? jason........ by the way, what kind of lag would the 20g give me in comparison to the 16g??? thanks
thats a nightmare waiting to happen my friend. dont even attempt to make a 4g63 avenger AWD. 16g supports around 450hp i *think* if you're not going to go over that, dont upgrade the turbo. you will be wasting the 400 when you could have used that on a sick ass downpipe and ported exhaust manifold or something think logically here, if you have a turbo...you can make power with that _________ 96 talon esi-t san clemente, ca DarkOne> Screw you guys, i'm going home. chrysler kid> and fyi i have never HAD to shave. DR1665> I'm sure your Talon and my Talon are all there needs to be, since we're the only two Talons that really matter around here
Originally posted by sarahdr1665 ...some girls like the "nerdy" guys



16g power falls way off around 325-350 on our motors. why not run a 20g, the star kit utilizes a t3t4. which in theroy a average turbo 2gnt will never use that turbos full potenital:shrug


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under construction widebody eclipse, targa top, 19inch rollers, big brakes, 10 point custom cage, frank 2.4 hrc s20g turbo, custom marble paint job

2000 Yamaha R-1, 165rwhp 117 ftlbs tq

  

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#63181, "RE: what can be done to increase performance of big 16g"
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Originally posted by turbo8u
Originally posted by jasonlee well, i may go with the 20g option. i am actually using this for a big project i have with a dodge avenger. using the 4g63 and the awd drive train swapping it all into my avenger. and that car is heavier so i will need as much as i can get to make it go good. other things i will be doing include bigger injectors, fmic, equal lenth header, high pressure fuel pump, then when i get everything done and in the avenger, i will start building a 6 bolt for it while i am using the 7 bolt. sounds fun huh?? jason........ by the way, what kind of lag would the 20g give me in comparison to the 16g??? thanks
thats a nightmare waiting to happen my friend. dont even attempt to make a 4g63 avenger AWD. 16g supports around 450hp i *think* if you're not going to go over that, dont upgrade the turbo. you will be wasting the 400 when you could have used that on a sick ass downpipe and ported exhaust manifold or something think logically here, if you have a turbo...you can make power with that _________ 96 talon esi-t san clemente, ca DarkOne> Screw you guys, i'm going home. chrysler kid> and fyi i have never HAD to shave. DR1665> I'm sure your Talon and my Talon are all there needs to be, since we're the only two Talons that really matter around here
Originally posted by sarahdr1665 ...some girls like the "nerdy" guys



ok... i have already started on the project.. i have a donor gsx, have all the info i need to get it done, and have the turbo. all it needs now is to get in there with a torch, welder, and make it happen... only big change comming is a lengthened driveshaft due to the avenger being longer, and the engine mounts being swapped... the wiring is no problem, all i gotta do is use the whole harness from the eclipse, and that all will work no problem.

also i have an equal length header already that i am gonna mod, and port myself, and i have a ported 02 housing comming soon.

with bigger injectors, high pressure fuel pump, and a few other upgrades here and there.....

the question is still there... big16g rebuild kit or convert to 20g??????



  

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#63238, "RE: what can be done to increase performance of big 16g"
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send it to any large turbo manufacturer and have 18g internals installed if you want a sleeper.





remember guys hrc uses a t3 flange and a normal 16g does not.

so hrc may not take the turbo becuase its nota SUPER16g

You can have it cheap, fast or good. Pick any two.

If you want it cheap and fast, it's not going to be good.
If you want it cheap and good, it's not going to be fast.
If you want it good and fast, it's not going to be cheap.

  

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jasonleeJan-08-04 06:48 PM
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#63241, "RE: what can be done to increase performance of big 16g"
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so.. 18g then... hmm.. any idea the cost of something like that?? also got any good suggestions where it should be sent to??

thanks!

jason

  

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#63254, "RE: what can be done to increase performance of big 16g"
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http://linux.forcedperformance.net/merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FP&Product_Code=NTDSMFPSleeper16G

Most powerful 16G on the planet(commercially available).

I would just send it to HRC or another vendor and have it converted to a 20g. The sleeper is for those trying to claim they run a 16g.


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#63280, "RE: what can be done to increase performance of big 16g"
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make sure HRC will even take it since they deal with s16g that super not small

which have a garret t3 exhaust housing.


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You can have it cheap, fast or good. Pick any two.

If you want it cheap and fast, it's not going to be good.
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