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turbosruleJun-22-09 07:23 PM
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#106732, "SYMTECH FCD------------CEL"
Jun-22-09 07:24 PM by turbosrule

          

well after years of use my Hahn FCD went out

I got a new FCD from symtech it fixed my bog down problem! emoji

But now I have a cel code 14 MAP emoji

Is this normal for their FCD??


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RE: SYMTECH FCD------------CEL, turbosrule, Jun-23-09 04:29 PM, #1
RE: SYMTECH FCD------------CEL, eclipse982nrRST, Jun-23-09 04:57 PM, #2
RE: SYMTECH FCD------------CEL, turbosrule, Jun-24-09 06:22 PM, #3
RE: SYMTECH FCD------------CEL, VelocitaPaola, Jun-24-09 10:35 AM, #4
      RE: SYMTECH FCD------------CEL, turbosrule, Jun-24-09 06:43 PM, #5
           RE: SYMTECH FCD------------CEL, turbosrule, Jun-26-09 08:07 AM, #6
                RE: SYMTECH FCD------------CEL, turbosrule, Jun-27-09 10:52 AM, #7
                     RE: SYMTECH FCD------------CEL, turbosrule, Jun-27-09 01:18 PM, #8
                          RE: SYMTECH FCD------------CEL, turbosrule, Jun-27-09 03:38 PM, #9
                               RE: SYMTECH FCD------------CEL, VelocitaPaola, Jun-27-09 05:03 PM, #10
                                    RE: SYMTECH FCD------------CEL, turbosrule, Jun-27-09 10:14 PM, #11
                                         RE: SYMTECH FCD------------CEL, turbosrule, Jul-04-09 08:57 AM, #12
                                         RE: SYMTECH FCD------------CEL, hazard_eclipse, Jul-04-09 05:49 PM, #13
                                              RE: SYMTECH FCD------------CEL, turbosrule, Jul-04-09 07:59 PM, #14

turbosruleJun-23-09 04:29 PM
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#106735, "RE: SYMTECH FCD------------CEL"
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the SYMTECH FCD apparently are not play n play and have to be fine tuned.


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eclipse982nrRSTJun-23-09 04:57 PM
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#106736, "RE: SYMTECH FCD------------CEL"
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Originally posted by turbosrule
the SYMTECH FCD apparently are not play n play and have to be fine tuned.


My FCD's have to be fine tuned, but I thought theirs were just a direct wire in and go, but I never researched theirs, but I know they are different then mine.

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turbosruleJun-24-09 06:22 PM
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#106738, "RE: SYMTECH FCD------------CEL"
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Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST
Originally posted by turbosrule the SYMTECH FCD apparently are not play n play and have to be fine tuned.
My FCD's have to be fine tuned, but I thought theirs were just a direct wire in and go, but I never researched theirs, but I know they are different then mine.


what s ur end voltage reading?

I have mine set at the highest I can get it 4.54 its recommend 4.70


maybe I should have just went with a missing link!?



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VelocitaPaolaJun-24-09 10:35 AM
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#106737, "RE: SYMTECH FCD------------CEL"
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Unfortunately, every car reacts to the addition of an FCD differently. All SymTech FCD's are pre-tuned, but in some cases fine-tuning may be necessary to suppress a check engine light (CEL)/malfunction indicator light (MIL).

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turbosruleJun-24-09 06:43 PM
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#106739, "RE: SYMTECH FCD------------CEL"
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Jun-24-09 06:43 PM by turbosrule

          

Originally posted by VelocitaPaola
Unfortunately, every car reacts to the addition of an FCD differently. All SymTech FCD's are pre-tuned, but in some cases fine-tuning may be necessary to suppress a check engine light (CEL)/malfunction indicator light (MIL).


Could it be this particular unit that was sent?

I was running Hahn's for years with no CEL

I'm reading 4.54 any lower and it runs badly!?


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turbosruleJun-26-09 08:07 AM
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#106743, "RE: SYMTECH FCD------------CEL"
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Jun-26-09 08:27 AM by turbosrule

          

Here's a reply I got from Symtech tech support
quote~We set them to
4.58V from the factory, but 4.59V or 4.60V may be necessary to avoid a CEL.
~unquote.

Now my problem is Symtech shipped the FCD with the trim screw turn up as far as it would go (pegged clockwise) which I am reading 4.54V!
I can only go one way (turn it down!)

Unsure why Symtech would tell me to tune-up to increase the voltage when their FCD came out of the box turned (tuned)all the way up!?

If anyone here has had similar problems or can offer some suggestions
Please do.

Other wise I will post the out came for future referents.

THANKS!!!


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turbosruleJun-27-09 10:52 AM
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#106756, "RE: SYMTECH FCD------------CEL"
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Originally posted by turbosrule
Here's a reply I got from Symtech tech support quote~We set them to 4.58V from the factory, but 4.59V or 4.60V may be necessary to avoid a CEL.~unquote. Now my problem is Symtech shipped the FCD with the trim screw turn up as far as it would go (pegged clockwise) which I am reading 4.54V! I can only go one way (turn it down!) Unsure why Symtech would tell me to tune-up to increase the voltage when their FCD came out of the box turned (tuned)all the way up!? If anyone here has had similar problems or can offer some suggestions Please do. Other wise I will post the out came for future referents. THANKS!!!

UPDATE---Symtech suggested to double check 12V source.
this was coming lose and was corrected.
I now can adjust voltage.
I tried 4.58V,4.59V,4.60V,4.66V,4.69V to no avail
NO fuel cut but once I shut her down and restart a glorious Illuminated CEL Code 14 appears! emoji


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turbosruleJun-27-09 01:18 PM
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#106760, "RE: SYMTECH FCD------------CEL"
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I was browsing threads and found this.

Originally posted by DarkOne
Some cars, usually 96's, will get it regardless of how squeeky clean everything is. They get it because the ECU is programmed to do some weird MAP signal verification agaist some other parameters such as throttle position and engine rpm, and the SAFC can throw that out of whack.


Maybe this is my problem?
Although I'm not running the sfac sold it years ago!


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turbosruleJun-27-09 03:38 PM
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#106761, "RE: SYMTECH FCD------------CEL"
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Jun-27-09 03:39 PM by turbosrule

          

Just ordered ML003C

hope I don't have all the problem's as some members here have had W/the Missing link.

All the treads I have read with reply's from Symtech lead me to the purchase of their $50.00 FCD emoji
maybe should of just had eclipse982nrRST sell me one.


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#106762, "RE: SYMTECH FCD------------CEL"
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Jun-27-09 05:04 PM by VelocitaPaola

          

If your +12V connection was faulty, it's very likely your other connections are too. Even connections that are overtly fine may introduce enough resistance into the circuit to throw off your PCM.

On the other hand, if you are one of the unfortunate few with a finicky PCM, no FCD, no matter the brand, can work for you without generating a CEL.

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turbosruleJun-27-09 10:14 PM
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#106766, "RE: SYMTECH FCD------------CEL"
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Jun-27-09 10:15 PM by turbosrule

          

Originally posted by VelocitaPaola
If your +12V connection was faulty, it's very likely your other connections are too. Even connections that are overtly fine may introduce enough resistance into the circuit to throw off your PCM. On the other hand, if you are one of the unfortunate few with a finicky PCM, no FCD, no matter the brand, can work for you without generating a CEL.


Thanks for the reply
I believe it to be the latter.

The 12v was the only wire that was not soldered and shrink wrapped.
I guess I could just ignore the CEL since I was NOT getting fuel cut
this could have been a 100 towards symtech MS


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#106811, "RE: SYMTECH FCD------------CEL"
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I am gonna be sending this thing back to SYMTECH for testing!!


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#106818, "RE: SYMTECH FCD------------CEL"
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the solder could be part of the problem. it adds resistance.

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#106820, "RE: SYMTECH FCD------------CEL"
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Originally posted by hazard_eclipse
the solder could be part of the problem. it adds resistance.


never heard of that but soldering is in the instructions.
but negative tried it 1st without


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