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ThePerfectShiftApr-13-09 05:32 PM
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#106163, "Boost still limited by head studs?"


          

When I first got my eclipse I had crazy plans for it. I once read we we're limited to boost pressures in the upper 20's due to our heads lifting even with the best head studs available. Has anyone come up with a better head stud since then or are we just screwed due to physics? Not that I am near 30 PSI or boosted yet for that matter. Just Curious.


Originally posted by thedawg

I ran 15-18psi on my stock a604 for about 30k miles then it broke. It makes cool whining noises now.

  

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RE: Boost still limited by head studs?, SilvrEclips, Apr-13-09 05:48 PM, #1
RE: Boost still limited by head studs?, ThePerfectShift, Apr-13-09 07:55 PM, #2
      RE: Boost still limited by head studs?, 420agreenvilleSC, Apr-13-09 08:56 PM, #3
           RE: Boost still limited by head studs?, misfitz, Apr-14-09 10:37 AM, #4
                RE: Boost still limited by head studs?, 420agreenvilleSC, Apr-14-09 12:29 PM, #5
                     RE: Boost still limited by head studs?, SilvrEclips, Apr-14-09 12:46 PM, #6
                          RE: Boost still limited by head studs?, misfitz, Apr-14-09 04:42 PM, #7
                               RE: Boost still limited by head studs?, Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, Apr-14-09 05:50 PM, #8
                                    RE: Boost still limited by head studs?, misfitz, Apr-15-09 01:52 PM, #9
                                         RE: Boost still limited by head studs?, 420agreenvilleSC, Apr-15-09 05:12 PM, #10
                                         RE: Boost still limited by head studs?, Moderatorteklein, Apr-15-09 08:30 PM, #11
                                         RE: Boost still limited by head studs?, misfitz, Apr-15-09 10:10 PM, #12
                                         RE: Boost still limited by head studs?, SilvrEclips, Apr-16-09 06:38 AM, #13
                                              RE: Boost still limited by head studs?, misfitz, Apr-17-09 04:30 AM, #14
                                                   RE: Boost still limited by head studs?, 420agreenvilleSC, Apr-18-09 12:02 PM, #15

SilvrEclipsApr-13-09 05:48 PM
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#106166, "RE: Boost still limited by head studs?"
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On a built motor ARP headstuds have been known to strech at 400whp. The fix is to drill and tap the block for 1/2" headstuds.

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ThePerfectShiftApr-13-09 07:55 PM
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#106171, "RE: Boost still limited by head studs?"
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How much have the 1/2 inch studs been proven to handle? or what has been the weakest link after that? I need to pick up Maximum Boost. Are there any other good reads available that I should grab while im at the book store?


Originally posted by thedawg

I ran 15-18psi on my stock a604 for about 30k miles then it broke. It makes cool whining noises now.

  

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420agreenvilleSCApr-13-09 08:56 PM
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#106172, "RE: Boost still limited by head studs?"
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you won't be able to reach the threshold of power that the 1/2" studs will be able to clamp. In conjunction w/ a cometic HG, and your seal is very hard to break. Even at over 30psi

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misfitzApr-14-09 10:37 AM
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#106183, "RE: Boost still limited by head studs?"
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ok, so i thought 1/2 was stock on these cars, seems how mine has them..

So when i get my new block and head, ill have to have them machined for my arp's huh? thats a nice peice of info to know....

  

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#106184, "RE: Boost still limited by head studs?"
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unless you're going to be going 26-27psi or higher, 1/2" is unnecessary.

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SilvrEclipsApr-14-09 12:46 PM
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#106185, "RE: Boost still limited by head studs?"
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Stock headstuds are 7/16" I believe

98 Eclipse GS Turbo
Built motor - MS2 - Holset hy35 - Zoom Stg 4 Clutch - 57.5mm TB - ARP Headstuds - Turbonetics wastegate - 3" Turbo back - FMIC - Greddy RZ BOV - Walbro 255 - 650cc Injectors - Fidanza Flywheel - Cobra calipers w/ 13" Rotors - Oil Cooler - DevilsOwn meth injection

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misfitzApr-14-09 04:42 PM
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#106187, "RE: Boost still limited by head studs?"
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tap messure shows mines 1/2 inch...

im already running 21psi

  

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#106188, "RE: Boost still limited by head studs?"
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Originally posted by misfitz
tap messure shows mines 1/2 inch... im already running 21psi


Then yours aren't stock.

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misfitzApr-15-09 01:52 PM
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#106198, "RE: Boost still limited by head studs?"
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Originally posted by DarkOne
Originally posted by misfitz tap messure shows mines 1/2 inch... im already running 21psi
Then yours aren't stock.


Take that back, umm, i messured wrong they are stock 7/16...

So you guys are saying with these i can can over 21 psi of boost?

hmmm, how much are 1/2 studs and where do i get them for mine?

  

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#106199, "RE: Boost still limited by head studs?"
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they can be ordered a-la-carte from ARP

there are 10 studs total so pay attention.
4 short studs are 5.06" long
6 long studs are 6.76" long

for the short ones you can either go with:
1. ar5.000-1lb which is their 5" studs
2. ar5.250-1lb which is their 5 1/4" studs
Tricky because you don't know if you can get away with #1 or #2. A machine shop can help you with this.

for the long ones you can go with:
ar6.750-1sb which their 6 3/4" studs

the shortie studs are $6.13 a piece x4 = $24.52
the long studs are $8.67 a piece x6 = $52.02
you'll need 12 pt nuts for your studs which is part# 300-8334 -- $30.75
and you'll need washers part# 200-8534 -- $8.92

grand total
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$116.21

That is directly from ARP but I can't remember if that includes shipping or moly lube

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#106200, "RE: Boost still limited by head studs?"
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Originally posted by 420agreenvilleSC
they can be ordered a-la-carte from ARP there are 10 studs total so pay attention. 4 short studs are 5.06" long 6 long studs are 6.76" long for the short ones you can either go with: 1. ar5.000-1lb which is their 5" studs 2. ar5.250-1lb which is their 5 1/4" studs Tricky because you don't know if you can get away with #1 or #2. A machine shop can help you with this. for the long ones you can go with: ar6.750-1sb which their 6 3/4" studs the shortie studs are $6.13 a piece x4 = $24.52 the long studs are $8.67 a piece x6 = $52.02 you'll need 12 pt nuts for your studs which is part# 300-8334 -- $30.75 and you'll need washers part# 200-8534 -- $8.92 grand total _________ $116.21 That is directly from ARP but I can't remember if that includes shipping or moly lube


Hey Mikey,

Could you put this into the wiki please?

Would be great info to keep around emoji

  

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misfitzApr-15-09 10:10 PM
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#106201, "RE: Boost still limited by head studs?"
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Originally posted by 420agreenvilleSC
they can be ordered a-la-carte from ARP there are 10 studs total so pay attention. 4 short studs are 5.06" long 6 long studs are 6.76" long for the short ones you can either go with: 1. ar5.000-1lb which is their 5" studs 2. ar5.250-1lb which is their 5 1/4" studs Tricky because you don't know if you can get away with #1 or #2. A machine shop can help you with this. for the long ones you can go with: ar6.750-1sb which their 6 3/4" studs the shortie studs are $6.13 a piece x4 = $24.52 the long studs are $8.67 a piece x6 = $52.02 you'll need 12 pt nuts for your studs which is part# 300-8334 -- $30.75 and you'll need washers part# 200-8534 -- $8.92 grand total _________ $116.21 That is directly from ARP but I can't remember if that includes shipping or moly lube



Yeah that defently needs pin'd or wiki or something...

Great info that and thanks a MILLION!

  

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#106202, "RE: Boost still limited by head studs?"
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Originally posted by misfitz
Originally posted by DarkOne
Originally posted by misfitz tap messure shows mines 1/2 inch... im already running 21psi
Then yours aren't stock.
Take that back, umm, i messured wrong they are stock 7/16... So you guys are saying with these i can can over 21 psi of boost? hmmm, how much are 1/2 studs and where do i get them for mine?


Im running 23-24psi on a 20g with 7/16" studs with no problems. Plan on boostin up to 26-27psi on the dyno once I add meth. Maybe they will hold. Untill you start getting close to the 400whp range I wouldn't worry about them at all

98 Eclipse GS Turbo
Built motor - MS2 - Holset hy35 - Zoom Stg 4 Clutch - 57.5mm TB - ARP Headstuds - Turbonetics wastegate - 3" Turbo back - FMIC - Greddy RZ BOV - Walbro 255 - 650cc Injectors - Fidanza Flywheel - Cobra calipers w/ 13" Rotors - Oil Cooler - DevilsOwn meth injection

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1987 Nissan 300zx - Chump Car
2001 BMW 325i

  

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#106208, "RE: Boost still limited by head studs?"
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Originally posted by SilvrEclips
Originally posted by misfitz
Originally posted by DarkOne
Originally posted by misfitz tap messure shows mines 1/2 inch... im already running 21psi
Then yours aren't stock.
Take that back, umm, i messured wrong they are stock 7/16... So you guys are saying with these i can can over 21 psi of boost? hmmm, how much are 1/2 studs and where do i get them for mine?
Im running 23-24psi on a 20g with 7/16" studs with no problems. Plan on boostin up to 26-27psi on the dyno once I add meth. Maybe they will hold. Untill you start getting close to the 400whp range I wouldn't worry about them at all


The most its put down was 383 on 22psi..

So im pretty close to the 400 mark..

I guess ill talk to the machine shop on those 5.06 studs and see which would be best to get the 1/2 studs so theres no worries at all..

  

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#106222, "RE: Boost still limited by head studs?"
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My first wiki addition: http://www.2gnt.com/?d=1/2_inch_ARP_headstuds

butterfly's...

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