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Topic subject | Boost still limited by head studs? |
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106163, Boost still limited by head studs? Posted by ThePerfectShift, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
When I first got my eclipse I had crazy plans for it. I once read we we're limited to boost pressures in the upper 20's due to our heads lifting even with the best head studs available. Has anyone come up with a better head stud since then or are we just screwed due to physics? Not that I am near 30 PSI or boosted yet for that matter. Just Curious.
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106166, RE: Boost still limited by head studs? Posted by SilvrEclips, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
On a built motor ARP headstuds have been known to strech at 400whp. The fix is to drill and tap the block for 1/2" headstuds.
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106171, RE: Boost still limited by head studs? Posted by ThePerfectShift, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
How much have the 1/2 inch studs been proven to handle? or what has been the weakest link after that? I need to pick up Maximum Boost. Are there any other good reads available that I should grab while im at the book store?
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106172, RE: Boost still limited by head studs? Posted by 420agreenvilleSC, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
you won't be able to reach the threshold of power that the 1/2" studs will be able to clamp. In conjunction w/ a cometic HG, and your seal is very hard to break. Even at over 30psi
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106183, RE: Boost still limited by head studs? Posted by misfitz, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
ok, so i thought 1/2 was stock on these cars, seems how mine has them..
So when i get my new block and head, ill have to have them machined for my arp's huh? thats a nice peice of info to know....
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106184, RE: Boost still limited by head studs? Posted by 420agreenvilleSC, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
unless you're going to be going 26-27psi or higher, 1/2" is unnecessary.
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106185, RE: Boost still limited by head studs? Posted by SilvrEclips, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Stock headstuds are 7/16" I believe
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106187, RE: Boost still limited by head studs? Posted by misfitz, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
tap messure shows mines 1/2 inch...
im already running 21psi
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106188, RE: Boost still limited by head studs? Posted by DarkOne, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Originally posted by misfitz tap messure shows mines 1/2 inch... im already running 21psi
Then yours aren't stock.
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106198, RE: Boost still limited by head studs? Posted by misfitz, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Originally posted by DarkOneOriginally posted by misfitz tap messure shows mines 1/2 inch... im already running 21psi Then yours aren't stock.
Take that back, umm, i messured wrong they are stock 7/16...
So you guys are saying with these i can can over 21 psi of boost?
hmmm, how much are 1/2 studs and where do i get them for mine?
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106199, RE: Boost still limited by head studs? Posted by 420agreenvilleSC, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
they can be ordered a-la-carte from ARP
there are 10 studs total so pay attention. 4 short studs are 5.06" long 6 long studs are 6.76" long
for the short ones you can either go with: 1. ar5.000-1lb which is their 5" studs 2. ar5.250-1lb which is their 5 1/4" studs Tricky because you don't know if you can get away with #1 or #2. A machine shop can help you with this.
for the long ones you can go with: ar6.750-1sb which their 6 3/4" studs
the shortie studs are $6.13 a piece x4 = $24.52 the long studs are $8.67 a piece x6 = $52.02 you'll need 12 pt nuts for your studs which is part# 300-8334 -- $30.75 and you'll need washers part# 200-8534 -- $8.92
grand total _________ $116.21
That is directly from ARP but I can't remember if that includes shipping or moly lube
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106200, RE: Boost still limited by head studs? Posted by teklein, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Originally posted by 420agreenvilleSC they can be ordered a-la-carte from ARP there are 10 studs total so pay attention. 4 short studs are 5.06" long 6 long studs are 6.76" long for the short ones you can either go with: 1. ar5.000-1lb which is their 5" studs 2. ar5.250-1lb which is their 5 1/4" studs Tricky because you don't know if you can get away with #1 or #2. A machine shop can help you with this. for the long ones you can go with: ar6.750-1sb which their 6 3/4" studs the shortie studs are $6.13 a piece x4 = $24.52 the long studs are $8.67 a piece x6 = $52.02 you'll need 12 pt nuts for your studs which is part# 300-8334 -- $30.75 and you'll need washers part# 200-8534 -- $8.92 grand total _________ $116.21 That is directly from ARP but I can't remember if that includes shipping or moly lube
Hey Mikey,
Could you put this into the wiki please?
Would be great info to keep around :thumbsup
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106201, RE: Boost still limited by head studs? Posted by misfitz, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Originally posted by 420agreenvilleSC they can be ordered a-la-carte from ARP there are 10 studs total so pay attention. 4 short studs are 5.06" long 6 long studs are 6.76" long for the short ones you can either go with: 1. ar5.000-1lb which is their 5" studs 2. ar5.250-1lb which is their 5 1/4" studs Tricky because you don't know if you can get away with #1 or #2. A machine shop can help you with this. for the long ones you can go with: ar6.750-1sb which their 6 3/4" studs the shortie studs are $6.13 a piece x4 = $24.52 the long studs are $8.67 a piece x6 = $52.02 you'll need 12 pt nuts for your studs which is part# 300-8334 -- $30.75 and you'll need washers part# 200-8534 -- $8.92 grand total _________ $116.21 That is directly from ARP but I can't remember if that includes shipping or moly lube
Yeah that defently needs pin'd or wiki or something...
Great info that and thanks a MILLION!
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106202, RE: Boost still limited by head studs? Posted by SilvrEclips, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Originally posted by misfitzOriginally posted by DarkOne Originally posted by misfitz tap messure shows mines 1/2 inch... im already running 21psi Then yours aren't stock. Take that back, umm, i messured wrong they are stock 7/16... So you guys are saying with these i can can over 21 psi of boost? hmmm, how much are 1/2 studs and where do i get them for mine?
Im running 23-24psi on a 20g with 7/16" studs with no problems. Plan on boostin up to 26-27psi on the dyno once I add meth. Maybe they will hold. Untill you start getting close to the 400whp range I wouldn't worry about them at all
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106208, RE: Boost still limited by head studs? Posted by misfitz, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
Originally posted by SilvrEclipsOriginally posted by misfitz Originally posted by DarkOne Originally posted by misfitz tap messure shows mines 1/2 inch... im already running 21psi Then yours aren't stock. Take that back, umm, i messured wrong they are stock 7/16... So you guys are saying with these i can can over 21 psi of boost? hmmm, how much are 1/2 studs and where do i get them for mine? Im running 23-24psi on a 20g with 7/16" studs with no problems. Plan on boostin up to 26-27psi on the dyno once I add meth. Maybe they will hold. Untill you start getting close to the 400whp range I wouldn't worry about them at all
The most its put down was 383 on 22psi..
So im pretty close to the 400 mark..
I guess ill talk to the machine shop on those 5.06 studs and see which would be best to get the 1/2 studs so theres no worries at all..
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106222, RE: Boost still limited by head studs? Posted by 420agreenvilleSC, Dec-31-69 06:00 PM
My first wiki addition: http://www.2gnt.com/?d=1/2_inch_ARP_headstuds
butterfly's...
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