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AdministratorStar Turbo TalonJan-14-06 08:59 PM
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#1748, "Req Fuel"




          

Can someone explain why we are not using the req fuel calculator and just estimating the required fuel for our injectors? I have always just accepted it but now it makes me wonder why we are questioning the built in formulas.

Terry

  

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RE: Req Fuel, Ready4Dis, Jan-15-06 09:24 AM, #1
RE: Req Fuel, Teamdougie2, Jan-15-06 09:37 AM, #2
RE: Req Fuel, AdministratorStar Turbo Talon, Jan-15-06 12:23 PM, #3
      RE: Req Fuel, Ready4Dis, Jan-16-06 05:36 AM, #4
           RE: Req Fuel, RxR_Eclipse, Jan-16-06 12:34 PM, #5
                RE: Req Fuel, AdministratorStar Turbo Talon, Jan-18-06 08:16 PM, #6
                     RE: Req Fuel, DJ420a, Mar-02-06 05:07 PM, #7
                          RE: Req Fuel, AdministratorStar Turbo Talon, Mar-02-06 07:38 PM, #8
                               RE: Req Fuel, DJ420a, Mar-03-06 06:16 PM, #9
                                    RE: Req Fuel, Teamner947, Mar-05-06 10:06 AM, #10
                                         RE: Req Fuel, DJ420a, Mar-05-06 02:55 PM, #11

Ready4DisJan-15-06 09:24 AM
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#1749, "RE: Req Fuel"
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I am using the value that was calculated if it makes you feel any better . It really doesn't make that big of a difference though, because if you set a req_fuel value to high, you set your VE values a bit lower, if you set your req_fuel value low, you set your VE a bit higher. I think the point is to get your VE values (not including boost) to be under or around 100% at peak. I know using the built in value for req_fuel, without including boosted areas, my VE maxes at around 70% (going from memory). If I changed my req_fuel down a bit, I could get that right up to the 100% mark and simply scale my VE table (it has built in functionality to do this). I don't really know why people don't use the default value, but once my wideband gets here and I can better tune this thing, I'll let you know if I find out any reasons to change said value .

  

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Teamdougie2Jan-15-06 09:37 AM
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#1750, "RE: Req Fuel"
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The reason why everyone is using a non-standard REQ_FUEL value is because that's what MRSLICK had in the MSQ files that he posted.

I use MegaTune calculated REQ_FUEL values in all my installations. This way, when you install a different set of injectors, all you have to due is adjust your REQ_FUEL and enrichment settings. If you use a non-standard REQ_FUEL value, then you have to guess.



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AdministratorStar Turbo TalonJan-15-06 12:23 PM
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#1751, "RE: Req Fuel"
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this is interesting........2 years of screwing around because MrSlick said so. Ugh back to the basics.

  

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Ready4DisJan-16-06 05:36 AM
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#1752, "RE: Req Fuel"
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Well, at least me and dougie2 are using the req_fuel that Megatune calculates . This way, when I replace my injectors, I can use the built in functionality to scale the VE table accordingly, otherwise you'd have to figure out how much to scale it by with either a bit more math, or a bit more manual tuning .

  

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RxR_EclipseJan-16-06 12:34 PM
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#1753, "RE: Req Fuel"
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when i just tested it, it was only .1 off from what I had entered...went from 7.3 to 7.2, guess it was close enough...

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AdministratorStar Turbo TalonJan-18-06 08:16 PM
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#1757, "RE: Req Fuel"
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Works just fine thanks guys.

  

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DJ420aMar-02-06 05:07 PM
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#1810, "RE: Req Fuel"
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You guys are talkin about what MrSlick said to put in? Now you have me wondering if this is part of my probs. He had/has mine set at 11.0 and Im only running 4G 450cc's.

Does this sound right?

  

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#1811, "RE: Req Fuel"
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Use the fuel calc located in MT. IT works fine. I have been retuning mine and it is working out fine. I also updated code so i cant be sure but i get a much better idle as well. I can idle smoothly at 15.5 AFR.


Start over. Any info you are following from Slick was not 100% accurate.

you numbers are wrong i can tell you that! my 550's are 6.4 and 450's should be 7.4

Terry

  

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#1819, "RE: Req Fuel"
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Originally posted by Star Turbo Talon
Use the fuel calc located in MT. IT works fine. I have been retuning mine and it is working out fine. I also updated code so i cant be sure but i get a much better idle as well. I can idle smoothly at 15.5 AFR. Start over. Any info you are following from Slick was not 100% accurate. you numbers are wrong i can tell you that! my 550's are 6.4 and 450's should be 7.4 Terry

Well then something is up, cuz I try to change to 7.4 and the car will not run at all. I even tried staring at 11.0 and tried to drop it by .5 increments and couldnt get below 10.5.

Now I dont know what I did, the car wants to run lean from 14.0 when I give it throttle in nuetral. WTF


  

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#1831, "RE: Req Fuel"
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Originally posted by DJ420a
Now I dont know what I did, the car wants to run lean from 14.0 when I give it throttle in nuetral. WTF


When you change your required fuel value, you have to change a bunch of other things to like acceleration enrichment, etc...


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DJ420aMar-05-06 02:55 PM
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#1832, "RE: Req Fuel"
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Yeah, I figured that out last night. Wow theres soooo much to learn.

Thanx man

  

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