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eclipse982nrRSTJan-24-05 02:08 PM
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#85151, ""Putting motor back together" questions"


          

Got my block back today from the machine shop and damn it looks fine.
They assembled the crank, pistons/rings, and rods and what not for me.
Couple questions for you guys:
1. they degreased the block for me and it looks brand damn new, was wondering if i didnt paint it, if it would rust or not?
2. what do i torque the aem cam gears down to? the 5 bolts around the gears that is.
3. how do i push the crank sprocket back onto the crankshaft?
4. do i put any anerobic sealant around the oil pump when i bolt it back on?
5. is there a torque rating for the oil and water pump?
6. do i put any sealant on the rear main seal?
7. what do i torque the arp headdstuds to?

fuck, i think thats it, lol...
i lost my haynes manual for most of these answers and the shit i bought from ppl off the board here, like the studs and gears, dont have installation insructions.

oh ya, and is the melling oil pumps already primed?

thanks sooo much in advance fella's, points to whom will be helpful to me emoji

-MIKE-

Stroked 2.2L

  
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RE: "Putting motor back together" questions, enhance, Jan-24-05 02:31 PM, #1
RE: "Putting motor back together" questions, eclipse982nrRST, Jan-24-05 02:34 PM, #2
      RE: "Putting motor back together" questions, Onnoffplayer, Jan-24-05 02:50 PM, #3
           RE: "Putting motor back together" questions, talonguy2005, Jan-24-05 03:28 PM, #4
                RE: "Putting motor back together" questions, BOOSTED ECLIPSE, Jan-24-05 04:00 PM, #5
                RE: "Putting motor back together" questions, enhance, Jan-24-05 04:41 PM, #6
                     RE: "Putting motor back together" questions, BlueMoonEclipse, Jan-24-05 06:46 PM, #7
                          RE: "Putting motor back together" questions, TeamDR1665, Jan-24-05 07:18 PM, #8
                               RE: "Putting motor back together" questions, eclipse982nrRST, Jan-24-05 11:14 PM, #9
                RE: "Putting motor back together" questions, AdministratorCODE4, Jan-25-05 02:23 AM, #10
                     RE: "Putting motor back together" questions, cougar694u, Jan-25-05 04:24 AM, #11
                     RE: "Putting motor back together" questions, tim97rs, Jan-25-05 04:33 AM, #12
                     RE: "Putting motor back together" questions, eclipse982nrRST, Jan-25-05 12:32 PM, #13
RE: "Putting motor back together" questions, thedawg, Jan-25-05 04:42 AM, #14

enhanceJan-24-05 02:31 PM
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#85155, "RE: "Putting motor back together" questions"
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For the crank sprocket I used a 1 1/8 socket and smacked it on there, using a paper clip to guage how far the sprocket was from the oil pump.

Oil pump + anaerobic sealant = yes. 17 ft.lbs.
Water pump is 9 ft.lbs.

No sealant on rear main.

Pack vaseline in the hole where the pickup tube goes onto the oil pump.

Hope this helps
Tony


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eclipse982nrRSTJan-24-05 02:34 PM
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#85156, "RE: "Putting motor back together" questions"
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thanks...
what about the painting the block? if i dont paint it, will it rust?

and still questions waiting to be answered:
1. whats the torque setting for the aem gear bolts?
2. whats the torque setting for the arp head studs?

and how far should the crank gear be from the oil pump?

-MIKE-

Stroked 2.2L

  
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OnnoffplayerJan-24-05 02:50 PM
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#85159, "RE: "Putting motor back together" questions"
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If it is to bare metal then yes it will rust. The torque for the cam gears is 15 ft-lbs, i got the same ones. Headstuds i dunno

  
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talonguy2005Jan-24-05 03:28 PM
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#85161, "RE: "Putting motor back together" questions"
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im pretty sure the ARP head studs get torqued the same as head bolts.



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BOOSTED ECLIPSEJan-24-05 04:00 PM
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#85164, "RE: "Putting motor back together" questions"
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For the torque specs you can go to there web site www.arp-bolts.com. It has the torgue specs listed for all there fasteners.

  
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enhanceJan-24-05 04:41 PM
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#85166, "RE: "Putting motor back together" questions"
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Hold a paper clip between the oil pump and crank sprocket, that'll get it as close as you need without the surfaces touching.

Tony


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AF/X UDP/crankscraper/Symborski shift kit/ shortened shifter
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BlueMoonEclipseJan-24-05 06:46 PM
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#85168, "RE: "Putting motor back together" questions"
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Il look up the Arp head stud tq guide...tomorrow first thing back from work

Im prety sure head studs are a different tq than when using common headbolts...make sure to tap and clean out your headbolt holes and grease with ARP moly lube ONLY to get the right tq measurement


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TeamDR1665Jan-24-05 07:18 PM
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#85169, "RE: "Putting motor back together" questions"
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Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST
Got my block back today from the machine shop and damn it looks fine.

Is this the same shop that said Mike's block was shit even though it wasn't? LOL. Good luck on that one.

Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST
1. they degreased the block for me and it looks brand damn new, was wondering if i didnt paint it, if it would rust or not?

Wipe it down with rubbing alcohol and then hit it with a hi-temp primer and follow up with a hi-temp paint. You really won't need it, but for $10 while you have it in front of you, this is the time to add a little bling factor to the block imo.

Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST
2. what do i torque the aem cam gears down to? the 5 bolts around the gears that is.

How many bolts do they come with? emoji

Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST
3. how do i push the crank sprocket back onto the crankshaft?

We used a copper mallet and a 34mm socket. Then beat the hell out of it. It goes on almost all the way. You should barely be able to get a fingernail between the back of the sprocket and the block. Also, make sure you don't lose the keyway and put that thing on the right direction. Otherwise, you won't keep any timing and you'll have to drill/tap it to pull it back off and do it right.

Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST
4. do i put any anerobic sealant around the oil pump when i bolt it back on?

az2gnt.net/FSM/

Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST
5. is there a torque rating for the oil and water pump?

Click the link above...

Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST
6. do i put any sealant on the rear main seal?

ahve you clicked the link above yet?

Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST
7. what do i torque the arp headdstuds to?

Did you just grab them from the junk drawer or something? I think they come with a spec sheet that tells you that sort of thing. Much like about 5 minutes with the search would have told you too.

Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST
i lost my haynes manual for most of these answers and the shit i bought from ppl off the board here, like the studs and gears, dont have installation insructions.

Well, damn. Don't I feel like the jackass this time around...

Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST
oh ya, and is the melling oil pumps already primed?

No. Does oil pour out of it? LOL

Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST
thanks sooo much in advance fella's, points to whom will be helpful to me emoji

I bet I get no points cuz I called you a jackass. LOL

If you see this post 3X or something, it's only because it never showed up for me tonight. Let me know. (Damn servers...)

  
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eclipse982nrRSTJan-24-05 11:14 PM
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#85171, "RE: "Putting motor back together" questions"
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NO ITS NOT THE SAME SHOP THAT DID MAYFIELDS MOTOR. I WOULD HAVE TAKEN IT FROM HIM BUT HE GAVE ME SOME WAY OUT OF SPEC SHIT ON IT. PLUS, HE STILL OWES ME $285 FROM IT.
WELL I GUESS I WILL PAINT IT UP TODAY!
THANKS, POINTS TO EVERYONE WHO HELPED WHEN I GET BACK HOME FROM WORK TONIGHT!
THANKS AGAIN
HOLLA

-MIKE-

Stroked 2.2L

  
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AdministratorCODE4Jan-25-05 02:23 AM
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#85172, "RE: "Putting motor back together" questions"
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Originally posted by talonguy2005
im pretty sure the ARP head studs get torqued the same as head bolts.


That is wrong.

When you bought those ARP head studs, did you just rip them out fo the packaging and throw any paperwork away? I bet you did. Instructions that arrive with hardware supercede all other information. Including what your mother says.

No offense, but if you are asking these kind of questions regarding putting your motor back together at this point in your rebuild process, you should not be rebuilding your motor.

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#85173, "RE: "Putting motor back together" questions"
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 Jan-25-05 04:36 AM by cougar694u



          

Originally posted by CODE4
When you bought those ARP head studs, did you just rip them out fo the packaging and throw any paperwork away? I bet you did. Instructions that arrive with hardware supercede all other information. Including what your mother says. No offense, but if you are asking these kind of questions regarding putting your motor back together at this point in your rebuild process, you should not be rebuilding your motor.


When you read his post, did you just go straight to the reply button and not see the rest of what he wrote? I bet you did:
Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST
i lost my haynes manual for most of these answers and the shit i bought from ppl off the board here, like the studs and gears, dont have installation insructions.

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#85174, "RE: "Putting motor back together" questions"
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 Jan-25-05 04:33 AM by tim97rs

          

i told you all this post would be coming....

Mike, when do we all get to drive our car?

USED TO HAVE...Everything you wish you had, and then some...

You are somebody special Tim, you matter! - from the admins (but nobody likes you, because your username is just like that other guy's, and you whine a lot)

  
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eclipse982nrRSTJan-25-05 12:32 PM
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#85197, "RE: "Putting motor back together" questions"
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Originally posted by CODE4
Originally posted by talonguy2005 im pretty sure the ARP head studs get torqued the same as head bolts.
That is wrong. When you bought those ARP head studs, did you just rip them out fo the packaging and throw any paperwork away? I bet you did. Instructions that arrive with hardware supercede all other information. Including what your mother says. No offense, but if you are asking these kind of questions regarding putting your motor back together at this point in your rebuild process, you should not be rebuilding your motor.


obviously you should start at step 1 and read my first post saying i LOST MY MANUAL AND THE SHIT I BOUGHT WAS OFF THE BOARD AND THE GEARS AND STUDS DIDNT HAVE THE INSTRUCTIONS IN THEM. damn.
And tim, when do you get to drive 'our' car?
what a stupid question. its your car since i ask for opinions like everyone else does on stuff and because i ask what the torque specs are on some stuff? you should quit trying to be a stuck up BANME! and actually try helping ppl instead of whoring threads. good luck with that in the future bro

-MIKE-

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#85175, "RE: "Putting motor back together" questions"
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 Jan-25-05 04:43 AM by thedawg

          

1. they degreased the block for me and it looks brand damn new, was wondering if i didnt paint it, if it would rust or not?

It will rust a little. Spray the whole thing down with WD40 and it wont. If you want to paint it, use 1200* engine enamel.

2. what do i torque the aem cam gears down to? the 5 bolts around the gears that is.

15 ft/lb. http://www.aempower.com/faq.asp?fid=36&sid=&tid=5 Read the manual that came with the cam gears to be sure.

3. how do i push the crank sprocket back onto the crankshaft?

Put a 32mm socket over it and whack the socket with a hammer. Make sure the lip part faces away from the engine.

4. do i put any anerobic sealant around the oil pump when i bolt it back on?

Yes, follow the pattern in the 420a overhaul manual.

5. is there a torque rating for the oil and water pump?

Yes, definitely. See overhaul manual or chiltons.

6. do i put any sealant on the rear main seal?

No, but I usually put a paper-thin layer of grey RTV around the outside anyways. It's more important that you install it evenly.

7. what do i torque the arp headdstuds to?

According to the ARP catalog, 190,000psi 11mm studs are torqued to 90 ftlbs with 30-weight oil, or 71 ftlbs with ARP Moly lube (recommended). Check the manual that came with the studs to be sure.

8. Melling oil pump already primed?

Not really. If you want to prime it, squirt a bunch of engine assembly lube in there.

  
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