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PFC_CiarlilloMFeb-07-12 03:28 AM
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#135982, "Running Rich "


          

So, long story short is that my fuel pump went and I figured I'd get the Walbro 190 since I plan on doing a build here shortly. I have a 95 Talon ESi w/ basic bolt-ons, and everything else stock.

My problem is that it runs really REALLY rich. I'm sure you guys could have guessed. I did some reading and found somewhere that without rewiring, the 190 doesnt flow that much more than stock. Anyways, I need some opinions. I was thinking of getting an AFPR but I am unsure how much work it takes to install (only 21 still learning how to work on cars) or just run rich until I rebuild.

Thanks, Mike

  

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RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>, Gruff511, Feb-07-12 03:52 AM, #1
RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>, PFC_CiarlilloM, Feb-07-12 04:17 AM, #2
      RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>, PFC_CiarlilloM, Feb-07-12 04:20 AM, #3
           RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>, LE30vm, Feb-07-12 10:16 AM, #4
                RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>, PFC_CiarlilloM, Feb-07-12 03:51 PM, #5
                     RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>, Gruff511, Feb-07-12 04:07 PM, #6
                     RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>, PFC_CiarlilloM, Feb-07-12 04:32 PM, #7
                          RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>, PFC_CiarlilloM, Feb-07-12 04:39 PM, #8
                               RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>, PFC_CiarlilloM, Feb-07-12 05:48 PM, #9
                                    RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>, jdm1990, Feb-07-12 07:13 PM, #10
                                         RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>, PFC_CiarlilloM, Feb-07-12 07:59 PM, #11
                                              RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>, LE30vm, Feb-07-12 09:37 PM, #12
                                                   RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>, PFC_CiarlilloM, Feb-07-12 10:35 PM, #13
                     RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>, LE30vm, Feb-07-12 07:46 PM, #14
                          RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>, PFC_CiarlilloM, Feb-07-12 07:51 PM, #15
                               RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>, LE30vm, Feb-07-12 07:56 PM, #16
                                    RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>, PFC_CiarlilloM, Feb-07-12 09:53 PM, #17
                                         RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>, LE30vm, Feb-07-12 10:35 PM, #18
                                              RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>, PFC_CiarlilloM, Feb-07-12 11:52 PM, #19

Gruff511Feb-07-12 03:52 AM
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#135983, "RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>"
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What's really rich? How are you monitoring AFR's? Do you have a wideband o2?

  

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PFC_CiarlilloMFeb-07-12 04:17 AM
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#135984, "RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>"
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I don't have a wideband but the smell of fuel is really great. It doesn't matter if its on the highway or city but If I drive it hard it really wreaks of fuel. Somehow it doesn't seem like gas mileage has been greatly affected. I'm still tracking/monitoring the miles and gauge. There shouldn't be a leak in the line because I had it replaced about a move ago but ill take a look and inspect it to make sure.

  

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PFC_CiarlilloMFeb-07-12 04:20 AM
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#135985, "RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>"
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*had all fuel lines from front all the way to back done about a *month* ago*

  

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LE30vmFeb-07-12 10:16 AM
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#135988, "RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>"
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Are you sure everything is hooked up properly? A double check for kinks and all connections may be your friend in this situation.

2007 - Jeep Grand Cherokee 4x4 - stock work SUV
1995 Talon TSi - Sold
1996 Base 2.5" Exhaust headers back, CAI, searching for long block to build and drop in.- Sold
1996 RS Daily Driver - Blown motor
1997 RS NA Built motor - Sold

  

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PFC_CiarlilloMFeb-07-12 03:51 PM
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#135992, "RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>"
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Everything appears to be running normal upon checking it.

*On a side note my coolant gauge is on, The previous owner said she had a mechanic work on the head and replaced it with a Neon head. She said that its just a dummy gauge as he couldnt get it to come off. Not sure if thatll affect anything. I believe I read somewhere if the coolant sensor has gone bad itll flood with fuel when attempting to start.

  

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Gruff511Feb-07-12 04:07 PM
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#135993, "RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>"
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Try renting a wideband at the local autoparts store and see what readings you get. When i had my stock fpr it always smelt really rich when just idling i was at 14.7afr

  

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PFC_CiarlilloMFeb-07-12 04:32 PM
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#135994, "RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>"
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Funny that you suggested that, I was just about to head to Advance Auto right now. Im sure they'll have one to rent there. Ill get back with my readings as soon as I get a chance. It seems to idle fine. Atleast I dont really smell fuel then.

  

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PFC_CiarlilloMFeb-07-12 04:39 PM
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#135995, "RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>"
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Also, I got about 100 miles from a full tank down to the 3/4's mark. It was a mix of highway and city driving.

  

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PFC_CiarlilloMFeb-07-12 05:48 PM
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#135996, "RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>"
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Advance doesnt rent out widebands. The guy didnt even have any idea what I was talking about. Ill try a couple other part stores tomorrow.

  

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jdm1990Feb-07-12 07:13 PM
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#135997, "RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>"
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i highly doubt you'll find a part store that will rent out a wideband 02 sensor. But I know I'm running a Wally 190, and even before I switched to MS my car never ran rich. So I doubt it's the fuel pump causing you to run rich. Then again, I have a 95 so I don't know if my factory FPR is different.

  

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PFC_CiarlilloMFeb-07-12 07:59 PM
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#136001, "RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>"
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I too have a 95. It might be a coincidence that I have a faulty sensor/sensors. I'm showing 0 codes. I had a IAC code that showed then it went away and never came back.

  

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LE30vmFeb-07-12 09:37 PM
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#136002, "RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>"
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Feb-07-12 09:44 PM by LE30vm

          

Just wondering, when you installed the new pump did you reset the ECU? AFAIK you will probably need to hook up a wideband 02 to get the most accurate reading of A/F or a flashy light gauge but those really arent worth it. (I have one that hasnt been installed yet, thanks to my cousin for my xmas last year as a gag gift.)

Edit: Also what color is your exhaust? Do you have a 5speed or auto? I believe our tank is 17 gallons which means a 1/4 tank is 4.25 your driving a 100 miles works out to about ~23 mpg seems semi-reasonable with some bolt ons depending what they are. I know headers caused mine to take a hit.

2007 - Jeep Grand Cherokee 4x4 - stock work SUV
1995 Talon TSi - Sold
1996 Base 2.5" Exhaust headers back, CAI, searching for long block to build and drop in.- Sold
1996 RS Daily Driver - Blown motor
1997 RS NA Built motor - Sold

  

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PFC_CiarlilloMFeb-07-12 10:35 PM
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#136004, "RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>"
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I didn't reset the ECU. You do this by disconnecting the battery correct? If so, for how long? I've had to disconnect the battery a few times when installing the new ignition coil and spark plug wires. I have an auto tranny emoji Basic bolt ins: CAI, 2.5'' catback, hi-flow cat, and aftermarket headers.

  

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#135998, "RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>"
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Correct if the ECT is shot it might flood cylinders w/ fuel. However I am confused by what you are saying about your coolant gauge are you saying you have an aftermarket one?

2007 - Jeep Grand Cherokee 4x4 - stock work SUV
1995 Talon TSi - Sold
1996 Base 2.5" Exhaust headers back, CAI, searching for long block to build and drop in.- Sold
1996 RS Daily Driver - Blown motor
1997 RS NA Built motor - Sold

  

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PFC_CiarlilloMFeb-07-12 07:51 PM
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#135999, "RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>"
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I meant to say I have a coolant light illuminating on my dash. I realized I worded that pretty off for what I meant.

  

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LE30vmFeb-07-12 07:56 PM
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#136000, "RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>"
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Have you checked what codes is the car throwing?

2007 - Jeep Grand Cherokee 4x4 - stock work SUV
1995 Talon TSi - Sold
1996 Base 2.5" Exhaust headers back, CAI, searching for long block to build and drop in.- Sold
1996 RS Daily Driver - Blown motor
1997 RS NA Built motor - Sold

  

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PFC_CiarlilloMFeb-07-12 09:53 PM
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#136003, "RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>"
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Its throwing off zero codes as of yesterday. Ill check again when I get off work.

Also in the middle of doing my radiator flush tonight I noticed my vehicle idled like it normally does <1100rpm> but when I put it in reverse it dropped down to about 500 and sounded like it wanted to stall. It sputtered a bit but then went back up to 1100. Then when I put it in park it reved up to 2000rpm. Does this sound like any sensor would do this?

  

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#136005, "RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>"
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You may need to burp your coolant.

2007 - Jeep Grand Cherokee 4x4 - stock work SUV
1995 Talon TSi - Sold
1996 Base 2.5" Exhaust headers back, CAI, searching for long block to build and drop in.- Sold
1996 RS Daily Driver - Blown motor
1997 RS NA Built motor - Sold

  

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PFC_CiarlilloMFeb-07-12 11:52 PM
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#136006, "RE: Running Rich <Stock FPR + Walbro 190>"
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I was in the middle of doing that but I had to get ready for work... damn 3rd shift. Anyways ill finish that tomorrow. I didn't literally mean in the middle of the radiator flush but I'll burp it to make sure to make sure I'm full.

  

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