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jesterscorpion	Nov-06-10 09:41 PM
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#132280, "Need input on some parts still needed."

Below is a list of what all I have so far. My goal is to run around 25-30psi. I am looking for ideas as to what size injectors I should get, and to see if there is maybe some other items I am overlooking. And yes I have used the search button and came up with way to many hits.

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Hot Tanked
Decked
New Freeze Plugs
Bored and Honed +.20 to even up the bores
JE 10.5:1 pistons
Crower Rods
Clevite Main and Rod Bearings
ARP Main Studs
Gates Timing Belt
Mechanical Tensioner
Melling Oil Pump
New OEM Water Pump
Underdrive Pully

HEAD
Race Port and Polish
SS Valves
Crower Stage 2 Turbo Grind Cams
Crower Springs
PT LIfters and Rockers
ARP Head Studs
OBX Adjustable Cam Gears
Felpro MLS gasket

AIR FUEL EXHAUST
OBX Intake Customized and matched to head and TB
Modern Performance 60mm Throttle Body
AEM Fuel Rail
Vortech SFMU
Missing Link
Walbro 255 Pump
OBX Turbo Manifold

MANAGEMENT
Msns V2.2 with some added extras
MSD Coil
Zeitronix Wideband O2
10.5mm Plug Wires
EGT Probe

STILL NEEDED
Turbo
FMIC
BOV
Turbo Accessories (timer and so on)
Injectors
Guages

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bullettdsm	Nov-07-10 03:45 AM
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#132289, "RE: Need input on some parts still needed."
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Nov-07-10 03:47 AM by bullettdsm

Originally posted by jesterscorpion
My goal is to run around 25-30psi.

Doesn't mean a lot until we know what turbo you are running

Originally posted by jesterscorpion
I am looking for ideas as to what size injectors I should get

Again dependant on turbo size BUT since you are running MSnS then go ahead and get in the 880- 1000's range. MSnS will be able to adjust.

Originally posted by jesterscorpion
Melling Oil Pump

You are rolling the dice on this one. While Melling used to a great name for oil pumps, something has happened. Either they have lowered their quality or they have a problem with making our pumps. Either way, there have been too many known failures with the Melling pump for my liking. Go with OEM (I actually prefer a low mileage OEM pump. That way it has been tested on somebody else's engine, lol)

Originally posted by jesterscorpion
Crower Stage 2 Turbo Grind Cams

I prefer the Crower 2's NA. I think they did their turbo grind with "turbo rules" instilled in their heads. I like the more aggressive nature of the NA grind.

Originally posted by jesterscorpion
OBX Intake Customized and matched to head

If cost is a factor, I can agree. If you want to spend a bit more, AMM's intake will serve you well.

Originally posted by jesterscorpion
Vortech SFMU Missing Link

Don't need with MSnS. But you will need an Aeromotive AFPR

Originally posted by jesterscorpion
Walbro 255 Pump

Depending on turbo

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97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

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jesterscorpion	Nov-07-10 09:12 AM
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#132297, "RE: Need input on some parts still needed."
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Originally posted by bullettdsm

Originally posted by jesterscorpion Vortech SFMU Missing Link

Don't need with MSnS. But you will need an Aeromotive AFPR

Im going to be using the SFMU with the 1:1 ratio disk from Vortech. This will make it function the same as a AFPR. (right or wrong)

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bullettdsm	Nov-07-10 02:10 PM
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#132302, "RE: Need input on some parts still needed."
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Nov-07-10 02:11 PM by bullettdsm

Originally posted by jesterscorpion

Originally posted by bullettdsm

Originally posted by jesterscorpion Vortech SFMU Missing Link

Don't need with MSnS. But you will need an Aeromotive AFPR

Im going to be using the SFMU with the 1:1 ratio disk from Vortech. This will make it function the same as a AFPR. (right or wrong)

I will answer that this way;

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/420a-bolt-tech/379721-need-afpr-what-one.html

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96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

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Red90Sev	Nov-07-10 03:47 AM
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#132290, "RE: Need input on some parts still needed."
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You're not going to need the SFMU and Missing Link if you go Megasquirt. Didn't see clutch or lsd on the list.

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jesterscorpion	Nov-07-10 08:47 AM
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#132294, "RE: Need input on some parts still needed."
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I actually have an OEM oil pump that I can swap with the Melling, so no problems there.

As for the turbo, I had this in mind: Godspeed turbo I found on Ebay. Heres the item number. 300489760613

Price isnt really an issue, if I need more money I can sit and save till I get to my goal. Everything I have so far has taken me over a year to get. The reason I went with the OBX intake was because I got it for an extremely low price and have since modified it to fit my needs. Runners have all been smoothed, welds double checked, and chrome removed for a custom paint.

As far as injectors go, who seems to have the best ones in the 800-1000 size.

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jesterscorpion	Nov-07-10 08:54 AM
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#132296, "RE: Need input on some parts still needed."
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Originally posted by Red90Sev
You're not going to need the SFMU and Missing Link if you go Megasquirt. Didn't see clutch or lsd on the list.

Going to go with a southbend clutch, and still debating on what to do with the tranny. My engine is being built outside of the car so no big rush on any choices.

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itsaslow95	Nov-07-10 08:41 AM
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#132293, "RE: Need input on some parts still needed."
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Originally posted by jesterscorpion
OBX Adjustable Cam Gears

please don't. cam gears that are adjustable can slip.. and with my experence with OBX im confadent in telling you that they WILL slip. mostlikly at 6700RPM just enough to take out ever valve.

just a heads up.

im running unorthodox racing ones. i know AEM makes a set also.

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jesterscorpion	Nov-07-10 08:51 AM
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#132295, "RE: Need input on some parts still needed."
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Originally posted by itsaslow95

Originally posted by jesterscorpion OBX Adjustable Cam Gears

please don't. cam gears that are adjustable can slip.. and with my experence with OBX im confadent in telling you that they WILL slip. mostlikly at 6700RPM just enough to take out ever valve. just a heads up. im running unorthodox racing ones. i know AEM makes a set also.

Actually a good idea there. I know OBX makes low quality parts, and im fine with that with none moving parts, didnt really think about it with the cam gears. Prolly gonna swap those out for some higher end brand. Thanks.

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jesterscorpion	Nov-07-10 11:16 AM
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#132298, "RE: Need input on some parts still needed."
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There was a mess up in my original post, I had down that I have crower cams when in fact I have the Crane cams with the turbo grind.

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Red90Sev	Nov-07-10 08:29 PM
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#132308, "RE: Need input on some parts still needed."
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Originally posted by jesterscorpion

Originally posted by itsaslow95

Originally posted by jesterscorpion OBX Adjustable Cam Gears

please don't. cam gears that are adjustable can slip.. and with my experence with OBX im confadent in telling you that they WILL slip. mostlikly at 6700RPM just enough to take out ever valve. just a heads up. im running unorthodox racing ones. i know AEM makes a set also.

Actually a good idea there. I know OBX makes low quality parts, and im fine with that with none moving parts, didnt really think about it with the cam gears. Prolly gonna swap those out for some higher end brand. Thanks.

I actually had a set of OBX cam gears and know a few people with them. They appeared to be of equal quality to my Fidanza and even AEM cam gears. The marks on all of the brands of cam gears were off though, always compare them to a set of stockers and get the timing marks right. As far as the OBX intake manifold, I had one, it's not worth the headache. Get an AMM intake manifold and call it good.

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itsaslow95	Nov-08-10 04:37 AM
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#132311, "RE: Need input on some parts still needed."
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I dont know. My obx fuel rail leaks and didn't fit correctly. My obx intake manifold didn't even come close to fitting. After drilling tapping and blocking useless holes off it's still leaking and a pain in my ass. The obx oil pan I had and still have is so shitty the aluminum is porous and the oil literally seeps through. (stock oil pan is in use now. Plannin the doom of the obx one)

High quality cam gears seems like one of those things you just do. It's like hey want to go discount skydiving?!?

Just my opinion.

-Jason

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Fasttopass	Nov-08-10 04:15 PM
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#132316, "RE: Need input on some parts still needed."
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Originally posted by itsaslow95
High quality cam gears seems like one of those things you just do. It's like hey want to go discount skydiving?!? Just my opinion.

I have a coupon for 75% off, "Cheap Jumps Skydiving" if you want it.

But Seriously I completely agree with that statement. If it's something that can cause TOTAL ENGINE FAILURE then spend the extra $50 for the name brand part.

From V's with 8 cylinders to rotarys that spin, as long as its fast everybody wins.

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itsaslow95	Nov-08-10 04:19 PM
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#132317, "RE: Need input on some parts still needed."
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Originally posted by Fasttopass

Originally posted by itsaslow95 High quality cam gears seems like one of those things you just do. It's like hey want to go discount skydiving?!? Just my opinion.

I have a coupon for 75% off, "Cheap Jumps Skydiving" if you want it. But Seriously I completely agree with that statement. If it's something that can cause TOTAL ENGINE FAILURE then spend the extra $50 for the name brand part.

Yo I'll trade you my entire 2g for that coupon!!

-Jason

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Red90Sev	Nov-08-10 05:18 PM
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#132319, "RE: Need input on some parts still needed."
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Originally posted by itsaslow95
I dont know. My obx fuel rail leaks and didn't fit correctly. My obx intake manifold didn't even come close to fitting. After drilling tapping and blocking useless holes off it's still leaking and a pain in my ass. The obx oil pan I had and still have is so shitty the aluminum is porous and the oil literally seeps through. (stock oil pan is in use now. Plannin the doom of the obx one) High quality cam gears seems like one of those things you just do. It's like hey want to go discount skydiving?!? Just my opinion.

Yes, totally agree. I also owned one of their fuel rails and it leaks like mad! If every other part they make sucks, you can pretty much depend on that part sucking as well. Just because I never had any problems with my cam gears, doesn't mean they are of good quality.

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itsaslow95	Nov-08-10 05:24 PM
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#132320, "RE: Need input on some parts still needed."
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Yeah, I wish you the best of luck with them. My only point of the statement was to help someone new. Also with the rail I put the o-ring on the fuel line where it goes oem, and also I put one on the rail where l
The little lip is and tightened it down. So far so good. It's ashame no one else makes a rail for us anymore. When I get time after mines running I'll draw one up and start machining them. I want to make my intake and turbo header first though.

-Jason

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Fasttopass	Nov-08-10 09:23 PM
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#132321, "RE: Need input on some parts still needed."
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I don't mean to thread jack, but what's the AMM intake? I've never heard of them. I looked in the search, but they all just say AMM and don't give any info. I found some stuff for neons and some pics, but nothing for the 420a.

From V's with 8 cylinders to rotarys that spin, as long as its fast everybody wins.

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Red90Sev	Nov-09-10 12:42 AM
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#132323, "RE: Need input on some parts still needed."
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Originally posted by Fasttopass
I don't mean to thread jack, but what's the AMM intake? I've never heard of them. I looked in the search, but they all just say AMM and don't give any info. I found some stuff for neons and some pics, but nothing for the 420a.

It stands for All Motor Mike. He's a guy here on 2gnt that makes custom intake manifolds. They are very nice pieces. I'm sure if you message him, he'll show you some pics. His screen name is AMM.

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Fotowntalon	Nov-09-10 10:22 AM
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#132327, "RE: Need input on some parts still needed."
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Originally posted by jesterscorpion

Originally posted by itsaslow95

Originally posted by jesterscorpion OBX Adjustable Cam Gears

please don't. cam gears that are adjustable can slip.. and with my experence with OBX im confadent in telling you that they WILL slip. mostlikly at 6700RPM just enough to take out ever valve. just a heads up. im running unorthodox racing ones. i know AEM makes a set also.

Actually a good idea there. I know OBX makes low quality parts, and im fine with that with none moving parts, didnt really think about it with the cam gears. Prolly gonna swap those out for some higher end brand. Thanks.

I love my fidanza cam gears. Cheaper than AEM, good name brand, and offer 12 degrees of adjustment, i believe AEM is only 10. As for the AMM IM, he boasted a 75whp gain on a neon, granted it was a 10s car, that was running a stock IM/TB and he upgraded the TB as well, but still impressive.

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jesterscorpion	Nov-09-10 12:20 PM
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#132328, "RE: Need input on some parts still needed."
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Nov-09-10 12:25 PM by jesterscorpion

Originally posted by Fotowntalon

Originally posted by jesterscorpion

Originally posted by itsaslow95

Originally posted by jesterscorpion OBX Adjustable Cam Gears

please don't. cam gears that are adjustable can slip.. and with my experence with OBX im confadent in telling you that they WILL slip. mostlikly at 6700RPM just enough to take out ever valve. just a heads up. im running unorthodox racing ones. i know AEM makes a set also.

Actually a good idea there. I know OBX makes low quality parts, and im fine with that with none moving parts, didnt really think about it with the cam gears. Prolly gonna swap those out for some higher end brand. Thanks.

I love my fidanza cam gears. Cheaper than AEM, good name brand, and offer 12 degrees of adjustment, i believe AEM is only 10. As for the AMM IM, he boasted a 75whp gain on a neon, granted it was a 10s car, that was running a stock IM/TB and he upgraded the TB as well, but still impressive.

Im happy with the way my OBX intake turned out so for now I will just use it. As for the cam gears, I am going to look into getting a different set instead of the OBX ones I have now. Heres a pic of my OBX intake with a mocked up fuel rail(going with AEM rail).

On a different note, Did anyone have any suggestions as to some decent quality 1000cc injectors.

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Fotowntalon	Nov-09-10 02:13 PM
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#132330, "RE: Need input on some parts still needed."
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eww rockstar? Thoguht all us car guys drank beer while working on engines=p. Regardless, I personally like the look, good choice going aem over obx for the fuel rail.

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jesterscorpion	Nov-09-10 03:09 PM
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#132331, "RE: Need input on some parts still needed."
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Originally posted by Fotowntalon
eww rockstar? Thoguht all us car guys drank beer while working on engines=p. Regardless, I personally like the look, good choice going aem over obx for the fuel rail.

Yeah, i've heard nothing but bad things about the OBX rail, so I figures that since i;m not gonna use it then might as well use it for mock ups and whatnot. As far as the rockstar goes, yummmmm. Plus the color of the can is close to my paint scheme.

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RoninEclipse2G	Nov-09-10 05:26 PM
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#132332, "RE: Need input on some parts still needed."
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Originally posted by Fotowntalon
eww rockstar? Thoguht all us car guys drank beer while working on engines=p. Regardless, I personally like the look, good choice going aem over obx for the fuel rail.

Yeah, beer + working with things that have specific tolerances = fucked up engines.

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itsaslow95	Nov-09-10 05:43 PM
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#132333, "RE: Need input on some parts still needed."
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Originally posted by RoninEclipse2G

Originally posted by Fotowntalon eww rockstar? Thoguht all us car guys drank beer while working on engines=p. Regardless, I personally like the look, good choice going aem over obx for the fuel rail.

Yeah, beer + working with things that have specific tolerances = fucked up engines.

+2

Also when did aem start making our fuel rails again?!

-Jason

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jesterscorpion	Nov-09-10 06:53 PM
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#132334, "RE: Need input on some parts still needed."
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Originally posted by itsaslow95

Originally posted by RoninEclipse2G

Originally posted by Fotowntalon eww rockstar? Thoguht all us car guys drank beer while working on engines=p. Regardless, I personally like the look, good choice going aem over obx for the fuel rail.

Yeah, beer + working with things that have specific tolerances = fucked up engines.

+2 Also when did aem start making our fuel rails again?!

I bought it lightly used about 2 years ago if im not mistaken. Ive taken my time waiting on deals and trying to save some cash so some of my parts have been boxed for a while.

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itsaslow95	Nov-09-10 08:12 PM
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#132336, "RE: Need input on some parts still needed."
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Ahhh very lucky. Lol. Good luck with everything

-Jason

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