Welcome to the 2GNT Forum!
Home Site Background Info & Specs Mods & Tech Info CAPS Part Reviews Donate 2GNT Stickers
Search Printer-friendly copy 1 User in Chat
Top 2GNT Technical Performance/Engine topic #130292
View in linear mode

Subject: "Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?" Previous topic | Next topic
Raider26Apr-03-10 10:56 PM
Member since Apr 03rd 2010
7 posts,
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list
#130292, "Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?"


          

I am having trouble getting my rebuilt 420a nt engine running. It wants to backfire through the intake when turning over. I have replaced the cam and crank sensors. I have spark and the cam marks on the cam gears are lined up correctly. What it looks like to me is when the motor is a tdc, and the cam marks are lined up the cam lobes are to close to the same position. Can you tell me if the cam lobes on the intake and exhaust are only a few degrees apart? I have a picture but don't know how to attach it.

  

Report This Post to Admin Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

Replies to this topic
RE: Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?, Raider26, Apr-03-10 11:02 PM, #1
RE: Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?, Raider26, Apr-03-10 11:06 PM, #2
      RE: Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?, baconater3000, Apr-04-10 12:32 AM, #3
           RE: Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?, Raider26, Apr-04-10 12:57 AM, #4
                RE: Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?, Raider26, Apr-04-10 12:58 AM, #5
                     RE: Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?, baconater3000, Apr-04-10 01:22 AM, #6
                     RE: Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?, baconater3000, Apr-04-10 01:41 AM, #7
                     RE: Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?, Moderatorbullettdsm, Apr-04-10 03:40 PM, #8
                          RE: Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?, baconater3000, Apr-04-10 05:17 PM, #9
RE: Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?, RoninEclipse2G, Apr-04-10 06:21 PM, #10
RE: Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?, Raider26, Apr-04-10 08:28 PM, #11
      RE: Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?, Moderatorbullettdsm, Apr-04-10 08:49 PM, #12
           RE: Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?, Raider26, Apr-04-10 09:10 PM, #13
                RE: Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?, TeamDR1665, Apr-05-10 02:00 PM, #14
                     RE: Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?, AdministratorStar Turbo Talon, Apr-05-10 03:34 PM, #15
                          RE: Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?, AdministratorCODE4, Apr-05-10 09:38 PM, #16
                               RE: Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?, baconater3000, Apr-06-10 10:59 AM, #17

Raider26Apr-03-10 11:02 PM
Member since Apr 03rd 2010
7 posts,
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list
#130293, "RE: Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?"
In response to Reply # 0


          

https://webmail2.centurytel.net/hwebmail/mail/dlAttach.php?attachment=2&index=15464&mailbox=INBOX&filename=DSC00967.JPG&d=3

  

Report This Post to Admin Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
Raider26Apr-03-10 11:06 PM
Member since Apr 03rd 2010
7 posts,
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list
#130294, "RE: Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?"
In response to Reply # 1


          

Here is another picture with the cam numbers

https://webmail2.centurytel.net/hwebmail/mail/dlAttach.php?attachment=2&index=15463&mailbox=INBOX&filename=DSC00971.JPG&d=3

  

Report This Post to Admin Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
baconater3000Apr-04-10 12:32 AM
Member since Aug 11th 2009
104 posts,
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list
#130295, "RE: Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?"
In response to Reply # 2




          



Um.. Your links are dead...Not active...Load them to a hosting site for pictures as in Photobucket or so. Also It's not in your cams....Almost positive.

‹noboost› Four gee's and 63 years ago, our forefathers brought forth on this continent, a new dsm, concieved in Normal Illiniois...


Originally posted by barza21
barza + turbo = honda owning!!!!

  

Report This Post to Admin Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
Raider26Apr-04-10 12:57 AM
Member since Apr 03rd 2010
7 posts,
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list
#130296, "RE: Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?"
In response to Reply # 3


          

I will try this again.

  

Report This Post to Admin Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                
Raider26Apr-04-10 12:58 AM
Member since Apr 03rd 2010
7 posts,
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list
#130297, "RE: Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?"
In response to Reply # 4


          

Here is the pic of the cams.

  

Report This Post to Admin Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                    
baconater3000Apr-04-10 01:22 AM
Member since Aug 11th 2009
104 posts,
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list
#130298, "RE: Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?"
In response to Reply # 5




          

Originally posted by Raider26
Here is the pic of the cams.


here is the image on this

‹noboost› Four gee's and 63 years ago, our forefathers brought forth on this continent, a new dsm, concieved in Normal Illiniois...


Originally posted by barza21
barza + turbo = honda owning!!!!

  

Report This Post to Admin Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                    
baconater3000Apr-04-10 01:41 AM
Member since Aug 11th 2009
104 posts,
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list
#130299, "RE: Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?"
In response to Reply # 5




          

Originally posted by Raider26
Here is the pic of the cams.


Check out this pic.

‹noboost› Four gee's and 63 years ago, our forefathers brought forth on this continent, a new dsm, concieved in Normal Illiniois...


Originally posted by barza21
barza + turbo = honda owning!!!!

  

Report This Post to Admin Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                    
ModeratorbullettdsmApr-04-10 03:40 PM
Donating 2GNT member
2676 posts,
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list
#130300, "RE: Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?"
In response to Reply # 5
Apr-04-10 03:41 PM by bullettdsm

          

Originally posted by Raider26


Well, isn't that curious. Because here are a two pics of a couple of my stock cams (intake to the left like you are looking at them from the pulley's at TDC);




So tell us about the origins of your cams. You got a Neon buddy?.......







Captain Caveman

96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

wiki home page:http://www.2gnt.com/index.php?d=bullettdsm

  

Report This Post to Admin Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                        
baconater3000Apr-04-10 05:17 PM
Member since Aug 11th 2009
104 posts,
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list
#130301, "RE: Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?"
In response to Reply # 8




          

Ya, This is quite the weird find...If you need cams I have a spare set for sale...(STOCK).

‹noboost› Four gee's and 63 years ago, our forefathers brought forth on this continent, a new dsm, concieved in Normal Illiniois...


Originally posted by barza21
barza + turbo = honda owning!!!!

  

Report This Post to Admin Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

RoninEclipse2GApr-04-10 06:21 PM
Donating 2GNT member
2745 posts,
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list
#130304, "RE: Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?"
In response to Reply # 0
Apr-04-10 06:28 PM by RoninEclipse2G



          

Originally posted by Raider26
I am having trouble getting my rebuilt 420a nt engine running. It wants to backfire through the intake when turning over. I have replaced the cam and crank sensors. I have spark and the cam marks on the cam gears are lined up correctly. What it looks like to me is when the motor is a tdc, and the cam marks are lined up the cam lobes are to close to the same position. Can you tell me if the cam lobes on the intake and exhaust are only a few degrees apart? I have a picture but don't know how to attach it.

Sounds like your cams are 180* out. Remember that your cams rotate once for every 2 rotations of the crank. Try rotating them 180*, reset timing and try again

Every time I put a 420a back together I get it wrong and have to rotate the cams and retime the engine. I don't even bother putting on the passenger mount before trying to fire the engine

Erik P.
Official 2GNT thread Hijacker
Some say that he's driven over more Covenant than he's shot, and that his grenades aren't where you'd expect them to be...
All we know is, He's not The Stig... But he is The Stig's Spartan cousin!

  

Report This Post to Admin Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
Raider26Apr-04-10 08:28 PM
Member since Apr 03rd 2010
7 posts,
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list
#130305, "RE: Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?"
In response to Reply # 10


          

Well the motor is a rebuild from overbore.com, not my original. The question I have is why are the timing marks correct on the cam gears if the cams are 180 out? could the cam gears be on the wrong cams? Thanks for all the help guys, this thing has been giving me problems trying to figure this out for the last two weeks and Mark at overbore does not seem to want to help me.

  

Report This Post to Admin Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
ModeratorbullettdsmApr-04-10 08:49 PM
Donating 2GNT member
2676 posts,
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list
#130306, "RE: Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?"
In response to Reply # 11
Apr-04-10 08:50 PM by bullettdsm

          

Originally posted by Raider26
Well the motor is a rebuild from overbore.com........and Mark at overbore does not seem to want to help me.

Apparently, you just skipped over my post. Look at the peak of the cam lobe on the cams you have and the peak of the cam lobe on the stockers I took a picture of. do you see any problem with the angle from the "TDC hole"?

Here do this, send Mark the picture you posted and then send him the pictures I posted and tell him, "Mark Bullett says to send me the right cams for a MITSUBISHI ECLIPSE 420a."

Captain Caveman

96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

wiki home page:http://www.2gnt.com/index.php?d=bullettdsm

  

Report This Post to Admin Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
Raider26Apr-04-10 09:10 PM
Member since Apr 03rd 2010
7 posts,
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list
#130307, "RE: Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?"
In response to Reply # 12


          

Thanks bullett, I do see the difference in the two pictures, hopefully I can get Mark to send me the correct set of cams.

  

Report This Post to Admin Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                
TeamDR1665Apr-05-10 02:00 PM
Donating 2GNT member
14692 posts,
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list
#130316, "RE: Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?"
In response to Reply # 13


          

If one were to have two intake/exhaust cams in the head, wouldn't that appear the same way? Of course, Having one 2GNT cam and one Neon cam might be the same thing.

Been there. Done that. Hated it.

  

Report This Post to Admin Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                    
AdministratorStar Turbo TalonApr-05-10 03:34 PM
Member since Oct 21st 2003
8331 posts,
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list
#130317, "RE: Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?"
In response to Reply # 14




          

Originally posted by DR1665
If one were to have two intake/exhaust cams in the head, wouldn't that appear the same way? Of course, Having one 2GNT cam and one Neon cam might be the same thing. Been there. Done that. Hated it.


Yeah but you really took it in the ass. Werent yours crower cams?

  

Report This Post to Admin Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                        
AdministratorCODE4Apr-05-10 09:38 PM
Member since Nov 23rd 2003
2552 posts,
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list
#130323, "RE: Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?"
In response to Reply # 15




          

Originally posted by Star Turbo Talon
Yeah but you really took it in the ass.


---

2012 2500HD LML


  

Report This Post to Admin Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                            
baconater3000Apr-06-10 10:59 AM
Member since Aug 11th 2009
104 posts,
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list
#130327, "RE: Rebuilt motor does not run, wrong cam?"
In response to Reply # 16




          

Originally posted by CODE4
Originally posted by Star Turbo Talon Yeah but you really took it in the ass.



LMAO! Ya sounds that way can i use that in my sig?

‹noboost› Four gee's and 63 years ago, our forefathers brought forth on this continent, a new dsm, concieved in Normal Illiniois...


Originally posted by barza21
barza + turbo = honda owning!!!!

  

Report This Post to Admin Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

Top 2GNT Technical Performance/Engine topic #130292 Previous topic | Next topic
Powered by DCForum+ Version 2.2
Copyright 1997-2005 DCScripts.com, Copyright 2005-2026 2gnt.com
Generated in 0.07 seconds, executing 48 queries.