#129798, "Found a $500 used motor. Any recommendations before I get it installed?"
My local junk yard quoted me 500 dollars for a used motor. 30 day warranty for no noise, leaks, or burning. Any recommendations for simple modifications or parts I should get along with the motor to kill a few birds with one job. Also as far as brand of water pump or timing belt (reliable brands?)
#129799, "RE: Found a $500 used motor. Any recommendations before I get it installed?" In response to Reply # 0 Feb-27-10 07:05 PM by teklein
Go with the Partsdinosaur.com mechanical tensioner kit. Its 130 bucks and includes the tensioner, belt, and idler pulley. Probably order the water pump at the same time. Any water pump will do.
While the motor is being put in you may want to get Prothane motor mounts, open the IM entrance up to 60mm, underdrive pulley, and maybe a header.
Not sure what you are looking to do, but those all go on anyway, less work when all is said and done.
Thats without going into the motor. Now, while its being timed, you could get cams
#129800, "RE: Found a $500 used motor. Any recommendations before I get it installed?" In response to Reply # 1
Originally posted by teklein Go with the Partsdinosaur.com mechanical tensioner kit. Its 130 bucks and includes the tensioner, belt, and idler pulley. Probably order the water pump at the same time. Any water pump will do. While the motor is being put in you may want to get Prothane motor mounts, open the IM entrance up to 60mm, underdrive pulley, and maybe a header. Not sure what you are looking to do, but those all go on anyway, less work when all is said and done. Thats without going into the motor. Now, while its being timed, you could get cams
Great post. I think I will take your advice for the timing kit/pump at partsdinosaur. I know that store has a great reputation with you guys.
Can you elaborate on open the "IM entrance up to 60mm"?
What underdrive pulleys and headers do you recommend? Cams? Thanks alot!
#129802, "RE: Found a $500 used motor. Any recommendations before I get it installed?" In response to Reply # 3
Originally posted by Babbz413
Originally posted by red-cruzer99 Can you elaborate on open the "IM entrance up to 60mm"?
Have your I.ntake M.anifold ported to 60 mm.
I see thanks for clarifying.
I did a little search and it seems that porting the IM can be tricky, I think I will stay away from that. I just want my car to run normal. Ever since I bought it in 2002 the motor has been poopy. Seals worn and whatnot. Everybody knows what Im talkin about.
The mentioned add-ons: pulley, cam, headers sound interesting. I will try to purchase all of them from Partsdinosaur, but I already hit a snag:
I am confused by the bolded disclaimer. Is there a possibility this part wont fit my 99 gs 2.0 420A?
What about upgrading the internals? Since I found the motor so cheap a hahnracecraft turbo kit sounds feasable. I do not know anything about turbo or turbo timing though.
#129803, "RE: Found a $500 used motor. Any recommendations before I get it installed?" In response to Reply # 4 Feb-28-10 12:22 AM by dalesmitsu
Originally posted by red-cruzer99
Originally posted by Babbz413
Originally posted by red-cruzer99 Can you elaborate on open the "IM entrance up to 60mm"?
Have your I.ntake M.anifold ported to 60 mm.
I see thanks for clarifying. I did a little search and it seems that porting the IM can be tricky, I think I will stay away from that. I just want my car to run normal. Ever since I bought it in 2002 the motor has been poopy. Seals worn and whatnot. Everybody knows what Im talkin about. The mentioned add-ons: pulley, cam, headers sound interesting. I will try to purchase all of them from Partsdinosaur, but I already hit a snag: http://www.store.partsdinosaur.com/product1310.html I am confused by the bolded disclaimer. Is there a possibility this part wont fit my 99 gs 2.0 420A? What about upgrading the internals? Since I found the motor so cheap a hahnracecraft turbo kit sounds feasable. I do not know anything about turbo or turbo timing though. Thanks!
Your disclaimer question. Nope, the timning kit from partsdinosaur will fit. In the description as your vin letter "Y". for the 2.0L4 420a
Log into 2gnt home page and checkout the ariticles ALL pages. Its all in alphabeticle order. Use the search and make use of the tabs above.
Do your regular maintence before you decide to the the turbo route but I would do a Compression test. This would help you determined for you need a rebuild or it's good. Getting a junkyard motor it's 50/50 chance. Check all fluids in it also bottom of the oil cap.
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#129804, "RE: Found a $500 used motor. Any recommendations before I get it installed?" In response to Reply # 5
Originally posted by dalesmitsu
Originally posted by red-cruzer99
Originally posted by Babbz413
Originally posted by red-cruzer99 Can you elaborate on open the "IM entrance up to 60mm"?
Have your I.ntake M.anifold ported to 60 mm.
I see thanks for clarifying. I did a little search and it seems that porting the IM can be tricky, I think I will stay away from that. I just want my car to run normal. Ever since I bought it in 2002 the motor has been poopy. Seals worn and whatnot. Everybody knows what Im talkin about. The mentioned add-ons: pulley, cam, headers sound interesting. I will try to purchase all of them from Partsdinosaur, but I already hit a snag: http://www.store.partsdinosaur.com/product1310.html I am confused by the bolded disclaimer. Is there a possibility this part wont fit my 99 gs 2.0 420A? What about upgrading the internals? Since I found the motor so cheap a hahnracecraft turbo kit sounds feasable. I do not know anything about turbo or turbo timing though. Thanks!
Your disclaimer question. Nope, the timning kit from partsdinosaur will fit. In the description as your vin letter "Y". for the 2.0L4 420a Log into 2gnt home page and checkout the ariticles ALL pages. Its all in alphabeticle order. Use the search and make use of the tabs above. Do your regular maintence before you decide to the the turbo route but I would do a Compression test. This would help you determined for you need a rebuild or it's good. Getting a junkyard motor it's 50/50 chance. Check all fluids in it also bottom of the oil cap.
Sweet. Thanks. The articles are very detailed and helpful. I will print out the install for my mechanic to make sure he does the job right.
I hope I get a descent motor, cant get any crappier than the one I have now. I will certainly do a compression test. I am not too serious about the turbo, but it would be nice.
Here is what I am leaning towards:
Partsdinosaur parts: timing belt, timing belt package, and water pump
Ebay(only top rated sellers): UDP, Cams, and headers.
#129807, "RE: Found a $500 used motor. Any recommendations before I get it installed?" In response to Reply # 8
While the motor is out, might as well do the headgasket (OEM). It`s easy enough to do, and it would be a shame for it to go when you have the motor in the car already. Just my 2 cents.
#129808, "RE: Found a $500 used motor. Any recommendations before I get it installed?" In response to Reply # 9
Originally posted by electrohead While the motor is out, might as well do the headgasket (OEM). It`s easy enough to do, and it would be a shame for it to go when you have the motor in the car already. Just my 2 cents.
Good suggestion, especially since it is already a used motor. That one did not cross my mind.
I did more search about the AFX pulley and apparently Howell discontinued it.
#129810, "RE: Found a $500 used motor. Any recommendations before I get it installed?" In response to Reply # 11
I have started to get a general direction of where I want to go now. The motor being so cheap freed up some extra money, but I still have to budget, so far I estimate:
_$1000 motor + labor _$140 timing belt/kit _$40 water pump _$100 head gasket kit _$250 Modern Performance 60mm TB _$100 ebay UDP + belts
#129811, "RE: Found a $500 used motor. Any recommendations before I get it installed?" In response to Reply # 12
Be careful about the UDP from ebay. I purchased on to replace mine due to a knick in it and it was machine two big and just slide onto the crankshaft. Took them a month before they would do anything about it. Just a heads up on that.
#129821, "RE: Found a $500 used motor. Any recommendations before I get it installed?" In response to Reply # 13
Originally posted by whtclipse98 Be careful about the UDP from ebay. I purchased on to replace mine due to a knick in it and it was machine two big and just slide onto the crankshaft. Took them a month before they would do anything about it. Just a heads up on that.
Did you purchase from the same store from the link I posted?
Esi Talon Person: I know you purchased the same one, would you recommend it?
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I am starting to have second thoughts about the MP 60mm throttle body....would it be more cost effective to:
-Buy a used exhaust manifold and throttle body and take it to a machine shop to get bored out?
#129826, "RE: Found a $500 used motor. Any recommendations before I get it installed?" In response to Reply # 15 Feb-28-10 09:08 PM by 95_ESi_Person
Originally posted by red-cruzer99 Did you purchase from the same store from the link I posted? Esi Talon Person: I know you purchased the same one, would you recommend it? =========== I am starting to have second thoughts about the MP 60mm throttle body....would it be more cost effective to: -Buy a used exhaust manifold and throttle body and take it to a machine shop to get bored out?
So far it looks good, fits well, and the belts listed in the wiki fit. I'll have the header on Tuesday according to UPS, so I'll fire it up then and give a definite answer.
As for the MP 60mm TB, do you already have an aftermarket intake? That would be the only constraint as the stock hose will not fit onto it. When I had my Talon, I had the MP 60mm TB, and I used a dremel to get the intake manifold up to size, on the Eclipse I brought it to a machine shop that I deal with on a daily basis and they machined it for me after measuring it out to make sure that they would not bore through the wall (I have a 57mm bore tapered to 60mm on this one). Cost was $35, and that was including them blasting and cleaning the manifold.
#129828, "RE: Found a $500 used motor. Any recommendations before I get it installed?" In response to Reply # 17
Originally posted by 95_ESi_Person
Originally posted by red-cruzer99 Did you purchase from the same store from the link I posted? Esi Talon Person: I know you purchased the same one, would you recommend it? =========== I am starting to have second thoughts about the MP 60mm throttle body....would it be more cost effective to: -Buy a used exhaust manifold and throttle body and take it to a machine shop to get bored out?
So far it looks good, fits well, and the belts listed in the wiki fit. I'll have the header on Tuesday according to UPS, so I'll fire it up then and give a definite answer. As for the MP 60mm TB, do you already have an aftermarket intake? That would be the only constraint as the stock hose will not fit onto it. When I had my Talon, I had the MP 60mm TB, and I used a dremel to get the intake manifold up to size, on the Eclipse I brought it to a machine shop that I deal with on a daily basis and they machined it for me after measuring it out to make sure that they would not bore through the wall (I have a 57mm bore tapered to 60mm on this one). Cost was $35, and that was including them blasting and cleaning the manifold.
You bought headers also from ebay? It is a good feeling to have a nice present on the way. I hope everything works out as planned with your setup.
Yes, I have a stock intake manifold on my Eclipse. If you are saying that the MP 60mm TB is not easy plug and play, as other threads have mentioned....Do you think it would be a good idea to:
_buy a used junk yard intake manifold _buy MP 60mm tb _take both to a local machine shop and have them bore/port polish it and fit them together for me.
Once it is ready I take the revamped TB and intake to the mechanic to bolt on to the new (used) motor.
#129829, "RE: Found a $500 used motor. Any recommendations before I get it installed?" In response to Reply # 18
Originally posted by red-cruzer99 You bought headers also from ebay? It is a good feeling to have a nice present on the way. I hope everything works out as planned with your setup. Yes, I have a stock intake manifold on my Eclipse. If you are saying that the MP 60mm TB is not easy plug and play, as other threads have mentioned....Do you think it would be a good idea to: _buy a used junk yard intake manifold _buy MP 60mm tb _take both to a local machine shop and have them bore/port polish it and fit them together for me. Once it is ready I take the revamped TB and intake to the mechanic to bolt on to the new (used) motor. ?
Ebay header was a cheap and easy solution to a cracked manfold, temporary anyway.
Sorry, I was meaning stock intake or aftermarket intake.
You could bring an intake manifold to a machine shop, or if you have a dremel or die grinder you could do it yourself. No need to have a mechanic install it, aside from swapping sensors, only 2 bolts are involved. 6 fasteners if you are counting the sensors.
#129830, "RE: Found a $500 used motor. Any recommendations before I get it installed?" In response to Reply # 19 Feb-28-10 11:00 PM by red-cruzer99
Originally posted by 95_ESi_Person
Originally posted by red-cruzer99 You bought headers also from ebay? It is a good feeling to have a nice present on the way. I hope everything works out as planned with your setup. Yes, I have a stock intake manifold on my Eclipse. If you are saying that the MP 60mm TB is not easy plug and play, as other threads have mentioned....Do you think it would be a good idea to: _buy a used junk yard intake manifold _buy MP 60mm tb _take both to a local machine shop and have them bore/port polish it and fit them together for me. Once it is ready I take the revamped TB and intake to the mechanic to bolt on to the new (used) motor. ?
Ebay header was a cheap and easy solution to a cracked manfold, temporary anyway. Sorry, I was meaning stock intake or aftermarket intake. You could bring an intake manifold to a machine shop, or if you have a dremel or die grinder you could do it yourself. No need to have a mechanic install it, aside from swapping sensors, only 2 bolts are involved. 6 fasteners if you are counting the sensors.
I would use a dremel or die grinder if I knew what the hell I was doing lol. My friend is trying to convince me to buy this bolt on turbo kit:
#129836, "RE: Found a $500 used motor. Any recommendations before I get it installed?" In response to Reply # 20
yeah and in within a short amount of time, the junk ebay turbo will become ruined. Certain things I do buy off of ebay but other things I stay away from. Forced induction is one of them, unless I can verify the information on the turbo. Its a 50/50 chance you might luck out and only have discoloration on the piping, but on the other hand you could have a larger issue. I would recommend spending the extra money on either a hahn turbo kit or a star turbo kit....both have been used by various members on here.
#129838, "RE: Found a $500 used motor. Any recommendations before I get it installed?" In response to Reply # 21
Originally posted by whtclipse98 yeah and in within a short amount of time, the junk ebay turbo will become ruined. Certain things I do buy off of ebay but other things I stay away from. Forced induction is one of them, unless I can verify the information on the turbo. Its a 50/50 chance you might luck out and only have discoloration on the piping, but on the other hand you could have a larger issue. I would recommend spending the extra money on either a hahn turbo kit or a star turbo kit....both have been used by various members on here.
Thanks. It was a bit of a joke, but either way I thought I'd share the link. Your absolutely right.
I have been flip-flopping like a mofo about what I am going to do. I am now leaning towards staying away from the junk yard motor and instead buying a rebuilt head.
What do you all think about putting a new head on a used block? Risky? No problem? Thanks
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I am still going to do the timing, waterpump, and head gasket + misc gaskets
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I called a local machine shop and they are willing to port/polish my intake manifold and fit it with my incoming Modern Performance 60mm TB for relatively cheap. nice
#129839, "RE: Found a $500 used motor. Any recommendations before I get it installed?" In response to Reply # 22
I think it would depend on the condition of your block. Since your gonna have the head off anyways, why not replace the rod bearings and the pistons rings if they are in fair condition.
#129840, "RE: Found a $500 used motor. Any recommendations before I get it installed?" In response to Reply # 23 Mar-01-10 05:05 PM by red-cruzer99
Originally posted by whtclipse98 I think it would depend on the condition of your block. Since your gonna have the head off anyways, why not replace the rod bearings and the pistons rings if they are in fair condition.
Then how about this ftw? Both with great feedback...
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