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CyexmasterOct-25-09 10:25 AM
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#128402, "Wich pump to use and where to get it?"




          


Well right now I have all the parts for the engine rebuild. All I need is the oil pump. But dont know if I should use a stock one (as suggested by a friend that builds race cars) or to use a high volume one.

And where to get these pumps...?


Also I am kinda having second thoughts on my HG (evergreen), dunno if I should use it or buy a cometic or have a bronze one made.... some input in this would be nice....

If you need to know a few specs to say here they are:
8.8:1 JE's
eagle H rods
Not much milling on the head...
Stock valve train beside Brian Crower springs an retainers...
Stock cams and gears..
head ports will be cleaned out and polished
Stock water pump
And will be running an ebay t3/t4 till I get MS then I will save some $$ to get a nice turbo. emoji
looking to get +400hp


If you need any other info to best answer my questions the let me know I will post the info gladly...

Thanxs in advance!

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RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?, eclipse982nrRST, Oct-25-09 12:20 PM, #1
RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?, Cyexmaster, Oct-25-09 01:17 PM, #2
      RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?, 420agreenvilleSC, Oct-25-09 02:08 PM, #3
           RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?, Cyexmaster, Oct-25-09 02:26 PM, #4
                RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?, 95_ESi_Person, Oct-25-09 03:09 PM, #5
                     RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?, Cyexmaster, Oct-25-09 03:33 PM, #6
                          RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?, 420agreenvilleSC, Oct-25-09 04:19 PM, #7
                               RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?, Moderatorbullettdsm, Oct-25-09 05:09 PM, #8
                                    RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?, Cyexmaster, Oct-25-09 05:11 PM, #9
                                    RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?, nicho919, Oct-25-09 07:28 PM, #10
                                         RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?, 420agreenvilleSC, Oct-25-09 07:43 PM, #11
                                         RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?, Cyexmaster, Oct-25-09 08:12 PM, #12
                                         RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?, Moderatorbullettdsm, Oct-26-09 03:13 AM, #13
                                              RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?, BlackBomexTalon, Oct-26-09 03:30 AM, #14
                                              RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?, Moderatorteklein, Oct-26-09 04:34 AM, #15
                                                   RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?, eclipse982nrRST, Oct-26-09 04:52 AM, #16
                                    RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?, dsmracr420a, Oct-25-09 09:05 PM, #17
                                         RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?, Ebster1085, Oct-25-09 10:03 PM, #18
                                              RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?, Cyexmaster, Oct-26-09 08:13 AM, #19
                                                   RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?, 420agreenvilleSC, Oct-26-09 12:01 PM, #20

eclipse982nrRSTOct-25-09 12:20 PM
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#128403, "RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?"
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Get the FelPro MLS head gasket and deffinately use the Melling high volume oil pump. You can get one from Howell or Concept Illusions.

-MIKE-

Stroked 2.2L

  
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CyexmasterOct-25-09 01:17 PM
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#128404, "RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?"
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Arent they really bad with shipping? I mean, they take like for ever to shipp correct?

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420agreenvilleSCOct-25-09 02:08 PM
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#128405, "RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?"
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 Oct-25-09 02:09 PM by 420agreenvilleSC



          

Originally posted by Cyexmaster
Arent they really bad with shipping? I mean, they take like for ever to shipp correct?


yes, they are. If you can source a different company, do so. I've run several evergreen sets, one to 20psi. no issues. If you already have the set, use it, unless you have extra $ laying around.

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CyexmasterOct-25-09 02:26 PM
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#128406, "RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?"
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Anybody know of another place to get the pump from?

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95_ESi_PersonOct-25-09 03:09 PM
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#128407, "RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?"
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Originally posted by Cyexmaster
Anybody know of another place to get the pump from?


I got one at a CarQuest years ago.

Check some "Mom and Pop" auto stores, they may be able to get one for you. If not them, try Napa or Carquest, they may be able to order one.

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CyexmasterOct-25-09 03:33 PM
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#128408, "RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?"
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Here in Puerto Rico we dont have Napa or Carquest ... we have PepBoys and Advanced Auto Parts... and the "mom an pop" ones..

I'll try at some speedshop and see how it goes..

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420agreenvilleSCOct-25-09 04:19 PM
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#128409, "RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?"
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there's a conventional melling pump, and there's the high volume version. Make certain of which you get.

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Outside of Corona: "That sucks, peace out..." (jamie walks away)... "Sweeet, what we doin?" -Zac
Tim's garage (prior to motor install): "Im gonna smoke real quick, that way if you fuck up I am already nicotined up" -Tim

  
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#128411, "RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?"
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I would not get a Melling. I would get an OEM before I got a melling. I would get a good used OEM before I got a Melling. I would not take a chance on failure of a Melling.

Just my dos centavos

Captain Caveman

96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

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CyexmasterOct-25-09 05:11 PM
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#128412, "RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?"
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Melling either normal or High vol...? both bad?

So you would recommend a OE one or what?

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#128419, "RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?"
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Grab a melling high flow from CI Motorsports for 134.99 + shipping.

Melling makes quality stuff, imo. Not sure what Bullett has against them.

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#128420, "RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?"
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curious mark, y do you not like melling OP's?

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CyexmasterOct-25-09 08:12 PM
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#128422, "RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?"
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Originally posted by 420agreenvilleSC
curious mark, y do you not like melling OP's?


+1 need info on this!

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#128426, "RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?"
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Originally posted by nicho919
Melling makes quality stuff, imo. Not sure what Bullett has against them.

I have seen 2 melling pump failures that took out the engines. One was in an EVO (brand new build) and one was in a 4g63. Yes, they aren't 420a's but I have read about Melling failures in our cars/Neon's.

Now, Melling IS a good name out there for oil pumps. In the VW world, its all we ever used for aftermarket. But I see no reason to take a chance on upgrading what is already a great OEM pump.

Captain Caveman

96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

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#128427, "RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?"
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In my second 2.4 I had a melling high-flow take a dump on me in the first 800 miles, and yes I took the motor all they way down to find out why and it just froze for no damn reason. I have a stocker in there now and its all good.

  
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#128428, "RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?"
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Originally posted by bullettdsm
Originally posted by nicho919 Melling makes quality stuff, imo. Not sure what Bullett has against them.
I have seen 2 melling pump failures that took out the engines. One was in an EVO (brand new build) and one was in a 4g63. Yes, they aren't 420a's but I have read about Melling failures in our cars/Neon's. Now, Melling IS a good name out there for oil pumps. In the VW world, its all we ever used for aftermarket. But I see no reason to take a chance on upgrading what is already a great OEM pump.


Zac (Slo2g) had a Melling in his IIRC, and the OP went out, killing his motor. I think he had like 10k miles on it too.

  
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#128429, "RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?"
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I have had three melling pumps. One on my first stock motor when the OE pump started to fail, one on my first rebuilt motor and one now on the stroker. Never a problem with any of them.

-MIKE-

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#128423, "RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?"
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Originally posted by bullettdsm
I would not get a Melling. I would get an OEM before I got a melling. I would get a good used OEM before I got a Melling. I would not take a chance on failure of a Melling.


Bango.
Just do a quick search on the forums, and compare the number of Melling failures to OEM.

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#128425, "RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?"
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Hope they arent too bad considering I got a melling on my build..

1999 Eclipse GS
Built motor
Hahn 16G Turbo w/ FMIC
Hahn Stage 5 Portfueler (270's & 500's)
Zeitronix Zt-2 wideband w/ 3.5bar MAP
3" SS Turbo Back
CM Stage 4 Clutch and Fidanza Flywheel
Baer Big Brake Kit

  
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CyexmasterOct-26-09 08:13 AM
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#128432, "RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?"
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Damn now I'm even more confused about which to get....!

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#128437, "RE: Wich pump to use and where to get it?"
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zac's oil pump failed not because of the pump, but because his 'used turbo' had shit that he didn't flush out before installation. the turbo oil galley's made the OP fail, not the OP itself.

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