hi you guys

I was having some grounding issues with my 95 talon esi, and i was driving tonight and all of a sudden the car just shuts off, and all the lights go dim, and then build back up. I checked the fuse its still good and when i turn the key, it just doesn't turn over. i tried turning the crank, even pushing the car(3mph)and dumping the clutch. still nothing. So i wanted to know if a stater can seize up? i mean i was going around a tight turn and the oil is low..but i don't want to expect the worse..

But if the engine is seized,what are the ways that i could un-seize it?

thanks

Sounds like you are screwed. Only good way to fix it is with a rebuild.

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yea,I am kinda thinking that but i got to take a look at it tomorrow. But the thing is it never had a knock...and the oil light never came on...and i just put a new oil pressure sending unit in. like the car slowly died, it didnt just lock up and make the wheel screech...if thats what happens..

see the thing is the all the light were always flickering when i was driving. i replace both terminals, the battery, and i had a code 44..for battery sensor temperature volts out of limit. to me i just finding if very rare that a starter what lock the almighty 420a up....but i may be wrong?

Could the alternator seize?

take a 19mm socket or wrench, turn the crank pulley bolt by hand. If it turns, be happy. If not, be sad. Very sad. lol

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lol. it doesnt turn...i was thinking it could be because the starter is seized..i mean i hear no clunks, or clicks...i was searching on neons.org and saw this http://forums.neons.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=323058&hilit=seized+starter his starter was seized i dont know if he couldnt turn the engine manually though

If you cant turn the engine manually, your fucked.

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Stroked 2.2L

Well the simple way to check would be to take the 2 starter bolts out. Yank the starter out and then try to turn the engine manually. If it still doesn't turn you will probably need to rebuild at least the shortblock.

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I'm not saying his PCM didn't fail but I'm pretty sure that won't cause the motor to not turn over manually. Could it be part of the problem yes, the whole problem no.

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Tim's garage (prior to motor install): "Im gonna smoke real quick, that way if you fuck up I am already nicotined up" -Tim

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I bet your alternator went out and the starter.

You can buy the starter soleniod cheaper than a whole new, take out your starter hook it up to your battery positive test to see if there's alot of pull on it, if it does then my guess your alternator crapped out on you.

If your engine locked up on you the whole thing will shutdown immediately, my h20 pump went out on me while driving whole car shutdown instantly. DSM'god saved my 2g that day the engine wasn't fuk'd.

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We need to hear back from the OP before anything else gets out of hand.

well, i guess it was the block...

took of the starter and it still didn't move...so push the car down a hill...dumped the clutch....slid to a stop. So i took the engine out, and took the head off, and saw that oil was leaking there the headgasket and the #4 piston was stuck to the side of the cylinder wall....like there was a gap around the piston...but one side of the piston was no gap...so the wall is pretty much warped

thats the best way i can explain it. But I guess all in all does oil in the cylinders make an engine lock up?

Pictures please.

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i gotta see this

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Tim's garage (prior to motor install): "Im gonna smoke real quick, that way if you fuck up I am already nicotined up" -Tim

if there's enough oil it, it can cause a motor to hydrolock, so yes. sounds like the piston rings may have come apart.

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Lol there is no way to get pics, unless i take them with my laptop webcam and then upload them...ill try tomorrow though..but basically nothing looks damage...i took the oil pan off and everything is in tact...the weird thing about it is that the exhaust valves feel like sandpaper...you could definitely tell it was burning oil....its also weird that all the pistons are aligned in the middle of the block. Like they just all agreed to stop at the same time...lol...so now i have to take the, i think is called the "bedplate" off or whatever its call...so i can take the crankshaft off so i can get the clutch off.

I have tried to unlock the engine..but the crank bolt started to just keep turning so...ITS LOCKED

I even check the water pump.....its not seized, the only thing i could thing of that i havent check was the oil pump, could that lock up? Cause there isn't really a NOTICABLE cause of this engine "locking up" out of nowhere. I talk to a friend and he said that the oil would make it so the piston couldn't move as freely in the cylinder walls, which would in turn make the piston get stuck.

You know ive also notice that, kinda off topic, but i had a screenname on ASEC called avengerowner2, "AO2" and while i am take the engine apart i see "AO2" everywhere....like all the head and stuff.....lol

The crank does not need to be removed in order to remove the clutch.

As for the crank bolt turning, you are turning the crank over in a clockwise direction correct? I hope you were not rotating it in the opposite direction (hence the bolt starting to come loose).

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I am not loosening the bolt...lol
but i don't know any other way for taking of the clutch if the crank doesn't turn

Undo the bolts that hold the flywheel to the flex-plate?

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unless of course the rods are seized to the crank due to lack of lubrication. probably be better off pulling the engine since it may need to be rebuilt or replaced anyway. unbolt the transmission and then unbolt the clutch.

i actually had a problem where one of the flyweel bolts backed out and jammed in the ring gear causing the motor to lock up. unlikely from what i've read though.

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19:23:10 ‹ez› 19:14:00 ‹hazard_eclipse› i honestly hate yellow.
19:23:25 ‹hazard_eclipse› lol good you saw that
19:23:55 ‹ez› you should put that in your sig

Captain Caveman

96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

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well i got another block from the junkyard but one cylinder has rust in it....enough to lock it up....it was spinning but now it stopped....maybe if i use some PB blaster it would free it up?

maybe?

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