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donnyb373Mar-12-09 01:12 AM
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#124570, "swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance"




          

ok, this is not about my car but a friends. he put a window in in his block from the #4 rod snapping.

we got a long block from a 99 with paper work stating various stufff about milage and such. well i eplained to him that he needed to switch out all the sensors form his 96 motor to the 99 motor cause of un compatability issues.

we did all this except the oil pressure sensor, just cause he forgot to do it and now that the motor is in the car its a bitch to do at NIGHT and in the cold...laying on a cold concrete pad is a real pita.

anyhow nor him or I can get the motor to fire up. when i do the key dance i get nothing not even a battery disconection in last x starts....

so what do you guys think? i also think he didnt swap out the injectors now that im thinkking about it. but regardless im not getting anything out of the key dance.

  

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RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance, Moderatorbullettdsm, Mar-12-09 02:23 AM, #1
RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance, red95eclipse, Mar-12-09 07:10 AM, #2
      RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance, AdministratorCODE4, Mar-12-09 07:59 AM, #3
           RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance, donnyb373, Mar-12-09 11:52 AM, #4
                RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance, RacingEclipse, Mar-12-09 08:07 PM, #5
                     RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance, RacingEclipse, Mar-13-09 08:11 PM, #6
                          RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance, donnyb373, Mar-15-09 06:28 AM, #7
                               RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance, RacingEclipse, Mar-15-09 06:04 PM, #8
                                    RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance, donnyb373, Mar-24-09 01:12 PM, #9
                                         RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance, 420agreenvilleSC, Mar-24-09 07:11 PM, #10
                                              RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance, donnyb373, Mar-25-09 07:58 AM, #11
                                                   RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance, TeamDR1665, Mar-25-09 01:20 PM, #12
                                                        RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance, Moderatorbullettdsm, Mar-25-09 01:46 PM, #13
                                                        RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance, 96mitseclipsers, Mar-25-09 01:47 PM, #14
                                                             RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance, donnyb373, Mar-27-09 03:39 PM, #15
                                                                  RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance, 420agreenvilleSC, Mar-27-09 06:38 PM, #16
                                                                  RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance, AdministratorCODE4, Mar-27-09 06:47 PM, #17
                                                                       RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance, 420agreenvilleSC, Mar-27-09 07:54 PM, #18
                                                                            RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance, Mopar McNeer, Apr-05-09 05:08 PM, #19

ModeratorbullettdsmMar-12-09 02:23 AM
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#124571, "RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance"
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Before you suspect the motor, go through and check all the connections. There is a big connector under the intake manifold that is often missed. And sometimes people swap out the VSS plug with the coil plug. Also, don't forget the crank position sensor plug (sometimes missed).

Of course, normal processes are spark, fuel, compression to start an engine.

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red95eclipseMar-12-09 07:10 AM
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#124572, "RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance"
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As far as the injectors go, i think they are the same,but the fuel rails are different. The 96 uses a return line compared to the 99 which doesn't. I've found swapping the intake manifolds is the easiest thing to do. As far as the cel goes just do as bulletdsm stated check all of your connections. Does the car crank or have you tried yet?

  

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AdministratorCODE4Mar-12-09 07:59 AM
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#124573, "RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance"
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Mar-12-09 08:00 AM by CODE4



          

Originally posted by red95eclipse
The 96 uses a return line compared to the 99 which doesn't.


Not necessarily. Some but not all. The OPSU (oil pressure) was only a switch, not really a true sender so that is not going to matter. For the most part the general sensors shared the same part numbers across the generation gap.

Test for the usual - current at the usual places. Check your ignition switch. Check the main fuses under the hood.

EDIT: I just re-read that. Is it cranking and not starting? Or not even cranking? If it is cranking forget my ign. switch comment. Check for voltage at coil pack, injector harnesses. Check the ASD relay on the driver side firewall for power.

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donnyb373Mar-12-09 11:52 AM
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#124584, "RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance"
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its turning over just not firing up, im getting fuel pump kick on, no spark, and do not smell fuel,

my friend missed the big harness under the intake but i fixed that issue, relayes are clicking right before the key is turned, im just throwing stuff out there.

biggest thing im noticing is no cel on trying the key dance, it would at least throw 12 or 55

  

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RacingEclipseMar-12-09 08:07 PM
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#124601, "RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance"
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Don i got a new ecu today and hooked it up and tried to start it and no change. So unless both ecu's are bad which i highly doubt cause the original worked fine before i put the new motor in, i think we can rule out a bad ecu. I picked up some new relays today have yet to put them in due to no light but ill try it tomorrow and let you know what happens. Any other ideas on what could cause this issue guys?

  

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RacingEclipseMar-13-09 08:11 PM
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#124611, "RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance"
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replaced the oil pressure sensor and motor fired right up by accident when checking spark plugs. bad news... motor locked up.

  

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donnyb373Mar-15-09 06:28 AM
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#124613, "RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance"
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going to this kids house today with a pipe and bible

pipe to try and free her up

and bible to for him to get closer to god

shawn im punching you in the face when i get there

your the only one i know that would swap out a motor...and forget to put oil in it or even check it for that matter


official dumbass of the year award goes to you

  

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RacingEclipseMar-15-09 06:04 PM
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#124624, "RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance"
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i try man lol. good news is its gonna have another new motor in it?!? lol

  

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donnyb373Mar-24-09 01:12 PM
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#124753, "RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance"
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its alive!!!!

  

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#124773, "RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance"
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donnyb373Mar-25-09 07:58 AM
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#124775, "RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance"
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now we got to fix his overheating issue, i know its not the hg checked everything 4 x befor torqing the head down.

he thinks its the water pump...i think he didnt COMP. fill the system. we shall see

other than that she perrrrrrrs like a kitten

  

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#124776, "RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance"
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Wow. They used to call ME "Captain Halfass." If I just spent a couple hundred on a 'new' engine, I'm damn sure making sure it's got oil in it.

Burp that coolant and cross your fingers. Radiator getting hot on both ends?

  

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#124778, "RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance"
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Originally posted by DR1665
If I just spent a couple hundred on a 'new' engine, I'm damn sure making sure it's got oil in it.

Ha ha, I just went to the dyno with a buddy (800whp potential with LOTS O' Cash in it) who forgot to tighten down the oil pan bolt. Got lucky and didn't fall out on a pull. But got unlucky and had to pay for the dyno clean up emoji

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96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

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#124779, "RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance"
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Did you figure out the overheating problem?

  

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#124830, "RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance"
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he didnt have the new rad and bone dry block purged and full, now he cant get the car into reverse, so im goin to have to go and show him how the linkage is sapose to go

  

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#124834, "RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance"
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#124835, "RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance"
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Originally posted by donnyb373
he didnt have the new rad and bone dry block purged and full, now he cant get the car into reverse, so im goin to have to go and show him how the linkage is sapose to go


This was my reaction:

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#124836, "RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance"
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Originally posted by CODE4
This was my reaction:


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Outside of Corona: "That sucks, peace out..." (jamie walks away)... "Sweeet, what we doin?" -Zac
Tim's garage (prior to motor install): "Im gonna smoke real quick, that way if you fuck up I am already nicotined up" -Tim

  

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#124963, "RE: swaped motors now issues.....no cel on key dance"
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damn Donny...more troubles with this one...

Whats next??

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