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Fallen4ng31Feb-23-09 04:45 PM
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#124259, "Low, sputtering idle, No power under load."




          

Ok, I finsihed my rebuild, yay. I drove the car for about a week, until a heater hose ruptured. The car got hot, but didn't overheat. So, I fixed the line. When I started the car, it struggled at first then fired up. Idle is rough, the whole car shakes pretty bad as a result. She nearly dies when coming to a stop, and has no power under load. The engine revs, but doesn't produce any real usable power. (At least much less so than normal emoji ) I've checked for vacuum leaks the best I could, (lit cigarette) both above and below the engine. Check the connections on the IAC, TPS, etc... Already replaced the CTS, just in case. Any thoughts here, fellas?

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RE: Low, sputtering idle, No power under load., RoninEclipse2G, Feb-23-09 05:17 PM, #1
RE: Low, sputtering idle, No power under load., .bs0d, Feb-23-09 05:51 PM, #2
      RE: Low, sputtering idle, No power under load., Moderatorteklein, Feb-23-09 05:56 PM, #3
           RE: Low, sputtering idle, No power under load., eclipse982nrRST, Feb-23-09 06:30 PM, #4
           RE: Low, sputtering idle, No power under load., 740 turbo brick, Feb-23-09 11:32 PM, #5
                RE: Low, sputtering idle, No power under load. , Fallen4ng31, Feb-24-09 04:53 PM, #6
                     RE: Low, sputtering idle, No power under load. , Fallen4ng31, Feb-24-09 07:37 PM, #7
                     RE: Low, sputtering idle, No power under load. , 740 turbo brick, Feb-24-09 10:45 PM, #8
                          RE: Low, sputtering idle, No power under load. , RoninEclipse2G, Feb-25-09 01:51 PM, #9
                               RE: Low, sputtering idle, No power under load. , Fallen4ng31, Feb-25-09 03:39 PM, #10
           RE: Low, sputtering idle, No power under load., Fallen4ng31, Feb-23-09 06:44 PM, #11
RE: Low, sputtering idle, No power under load., Fallen4ng31, Mar-02-09 02:07 PM, #12
RE: Low, sputtering idle, No power under load., Fallen4ng31, Mar-08-09 05:49 PM, #13
      RE: Low, sputtering idle, No power under load., Moderatorteklein, Mar-08-09 06:08 PM, #14
           RE: Low, sputtering idle, No power under load., Fallen4ng31, Mar-08-09 06:40 PM, #15

RoninEclipse2GFeb-23-09 05:17 PM
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#124260, "RE: Low, sputtering idle, No power under load."
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massive air bubble in the system still that's freaking out the CTS?

have you checked compression to rule out overheating damage?

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.bs0dFeb-23-09 05:51 PM
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#124261, "RE: Low, sputtering idle, No power under load."
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How about your speed sensor? I read that it can cause idle issues and die when coming to a stop... any CEL's?

  

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ModeratortekleinFeb-23-09 05:56 PM
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#124262, "RE: Low, sputtering idle, No power under load."
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Did you check the crank sensor yet?

IMO when the hose blew it got all in the sensor.

  

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eclipse982nrRSTFeb-23-09 06:30 PM
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#124264, "RE: Low, sputtering idle, No power under load."
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Yes, check your connections at the Crank sensor and the Vehicle speed sensor. Both can cause issues like this.

And I doubt an air bubble will freak out the ECU that bad to cause this condition.

-MIKE-

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740 turbo brickFeb-23-09 11:32 PM
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#124276, "RE: Low, sputtering idle, No power under load."
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How can the VSS cause that issue? Is that if the sensor is bad and doesnt send speed or milage information? This makes me wonder if thats whats wrong with my car when coming to a stop..


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Fallen4ng31Feb-24-09 04:53 PM
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#124292, "RE: Low, sputtering idle, No power under load. "
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Update:

I pulled the plugs and found that 2-4 look normal, But 1 is completely clean, as if it has never sparked. Plug wire was replaced still nothing. I pulled the connector on injector number 1 and found some coolant had made it's way in. Cleaned it out, still the same story. So that leaves two thing, Injector 1 is borked, or the coil isn't sending anything to plug 1. Does that sound right to you guys?

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Fallen4ng31Feb-24-09 07:37 PM
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#124296, "RE: Low, sputtering idle, No power under load. "
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Feb-24-09 07:58 PM by Fallen4ng31



          

Update 2:

I replaced the coil, to no avail. I then replaced injector #1 (It's pretty handy having almost a full cars worth of parts in your garage.) The problem seems to have lessened, somewhat; But the car is still lacking a bit of it's usual power. I'm guessing another one of the injectors may be fried, so I'll replace the rest of them tomorrow. Any other thoughts?

(BTW, those two bolts that hold the fuel rail in place are a PITFA.)

1998 Eclipse RS-T - Totaled 4/23/09 - emoji
1998 Eclipse GST - Stroked 2.3l, HX40 fed: Build in progress
2010 Subaru Outback Limited

I hate hipsters.

  

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740 turbo brickFeb-24-09 10:45 PM
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#124300, "RE: Low, sputtering idle, No power under load. "
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Originally posted by Fallen4ng31
Update: I pulled the plugs and found that 2-4 look normal, But 1 is completely clean, as if it has never sparked. Plug wire was replaced still nothing. I pulled the connector on injector number 1 and found some coolant had made it's way in. Cleaned it out, still the same story. So that leaves two thing, Injector 1 is borked, or the coil isn't sending anything to plug 1. Does that sound right to you guys?


Get some gloves on and pull that plug wire while the motor is running. If the idle gets worse, its not the problem. If it runs the same, theres a good place to start looking.


95 Eclipse GS: 10.5:1, Crower 2's and MSII
186 WHP - 150 WTQ
14.697 @ 93.85 MPH......Gone, but not forgotten
99 420A Avenger: Given to my sister
99 GS OZ: Sold
03 Evo 8: Family Car with balls

  

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#124311, "RE: Low, sputtering idle, No power under load. "
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Originally posted by 740 turbo brick
Originally posted by Fallen4ng31 Update: I pulled the plugs and found that 2-4 look normal, But 1 is completely clean, as if it has never sparked. Plug wire was replaced still nothing. I pulled the connector on injector number 1 and found some coolant had made it's way in. Cleaned it out, still the same story. So that leaves two thing, Injector 1 is borked, or the coil isn't sending anything to plug 1. Does that sound right to you guys?
Get some thick rubber gloves on and pull that plug wire while the motor is running. If the idle gets worse, its not the problem. If it runs the same, theres a good place to start looking.


ficksed.

ignition systems won't kill you (unless you have a pacemaker) but they hurt quite a bit and the charge shooting through your arm tightens the muscles and makes it hard to let go.

I had to scream at my wife to shut the car off.

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Some say that he's driven over more Covenant than he's shot, and that his grenades aren't where you'd expect them to be...
All we know is, He's not The Stig... But he is The Stig's Spartan cousin!

  

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Fallen4ng31Feb-25-09 03:39 PM
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#124312, "RE: Low, sputtering idle, No power under load. "
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At this point I'm thinking it's the ECU, as I'm not getting any CEL's. WHich seems odd since the EGR is completely removed, and nothing is happening on cylinder 1.

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Fallen4ng31Feb-23-09 06:44 PM
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#124266, "RE: Low, sputtering idle, No power under load."
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No CEL's I have yet to do a comp test, or test the CAS.

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Fallen4ng31Mar-02-09 02:07 PM
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#124414, "RE: Low, sputtering idle, No power under load."
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New ECU, no change in the problem. Once I get paid, I'll buy another compression tester.

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#124496, "RE: Low, sputtering idle, No power under load."
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Test results:
Cyl 1 - 200 - (No change wet)
Cyl 2 - 210 - (No change wet)
Cyl 3 - 195 - (No change wet)
Cyl 4 - 175 - (210 wet)

Problem 1:
Ok, now I'm really confused. I pulled plug wire 1 while the car was running, at it got worse. The plug is new, and is gapped properly. Itlooks almost new, still. While the rest of the plugs appear as they should with normal wear patterns.

This one I'm at a loss on.

Problem 2:
Cylinder 4 has very low compression compared to the other cylinders. While it is still within service limits, this is now where I am focusing attention. Piston/Rings/Rod are new in this cylinder (Rebuilt within less than 1000 miles.)

Oil levels are normal, and my idiot pressure light isn't coming on.
Still no CEL's. There looks to be some oil intermingling with the coolant behind the engine from when the heater hose broke. (Can't tell if it's oil for sure, it may just be grime.) Do these seem like a symptoms of the top right head bolt bottoming out?

Any thoughts are appreciated.

1998 Eclipse RS-T - Totaled 4/23/09 - emoji
1998 Eclipse GST - Stroked 2.3l, HX40 fed: Build in progress
2010 Subaru Outback Limited

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#124497, "RE: Low, sputtering idle, No power under load."
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I would venture to say yes, that the bolt is backing out. Could be wrong though.

Curiosity, are the injectors known to be good?

  

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Fallen4ng31Mar-08-09 06:40 PM
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#124499, "RE: Low, sputtering idle, No power under load."
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Yeah, Tim; I swapped all the injectors out for known good ones, just in case.

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