That is all








Oh, ok, there's more, but just got back from dyno. She's broken the barrier but there is more to it than that. I'll post up tomorrow with more info (can we say LTH?).

Captain Caveman

96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

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Bad ass Mark. Good job.

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Fucking a Mark! You have done it! Congratulations.

Jason|1997 Eclipse RS

I contributed to the wiki!

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Nice!

Goodnight sweetheart...yes its time to go...bum bum bum bum bum...good night sweetheart yes I am one little a$$hole......bum bum bum bum....

Congrats! The better man has won!

Holy shit! Congrats Mark, that is amazing!

Mike D
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Nice!! The barrier is broken, WTG Mark!

1998 Eclipse RS-T - Totaled 4/23/09 -
1998 Eclipse GST - Stroked 2.3l, HX40 fed: Build in progress
2010 Subaru Outback Limited

I hate hipsters.

amen brother!

Well deserved congrats!

2gnt: '99 RS-T, killed by a toyota, pending rebuild...
Daily: Volt
Daily #2: '99 EVG ebike- STOLEN by PEDRO

Thanks guys. Appeciate the support (and Driggs, your "message" stays, lol). Really nice to cross that line

Ok, where to start? Went to dyno, um no wait.

First, got a little something to share. We now have an LTH for our engines (courtesy of quicksilver99).



I'm going to start another thread on that, for clarity.

So I took the LTH and Mike's (AMM) intake mani (I thought I took pics of it? Hopefully Mike will add some) to the dyno to get some numbers on each. Had it all planned out. Was going to set dyno numbers on just the OBX intake with the long tube header (already have numbers with the OBX and E-bay header), then do it with Mike's intake. That would be a full comparison of each set-up.

Well, as you know, dyno's have different ideas. Got her on and mr supertuner Matt (Dentsport out of Norwood Mass) started dumping fuel in (also did the 450's prior to this. I was up to 87% duty cycle with the OBX and e-bay header and stock injectors. So obviously needed more - BTW, Dino, just one seal rolled; fixed). Got about 3/4 through the tune and had overheating problems. Not headgasket or internals. Took a while to figure out that, for some reason, the thermostat was only opening a little. Lost a ton of time, so we had to punt. My buddy, Darren, ran down to Napa to get the thermostat, while my other buddy, Mario, stayed with me and switched out the intake. We just ran out of time to make the comparison pulls. Pretty disappointed in that. I'd love to go back and compare but I just can't afford it.

So get her back on and going with the AMM intake and quicksilver99's LTH. First pull, 193! Kinda knew at that point, lol. Each pull progressively better (thanks Matt). I broke the barrier with a 200.3whp, lol. The last pull ended up being a 203.8whp with 169tq and climbing before, it looks like, I ran out of gas . She just suddenly went lean, so she either ran out of gas or the 190 walbro gave up the ghost. Will check into that.

I've got the sheets right in front of me, I just gotta copy them onto the computer. Lines are nice.

As for the intakes; hands down Mike's is a better/smoother intake. We noticed it right off the bat with the throttle response. Just so much quicker and smoother than the OBX. By far a better intake. Just wish I could do the number comparison. Sorry guys I tried.

Thanks again to Mike (AMM), Mark (quicksilver99) and Matt (Dentsport) for playing with me. Hit them up if interested in the "stuff" the gots. I'm really happy with them (and believe me, I would tell you if their product sucks).

Well, guys, we're over 200 now

Captain Caveman

96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

wiki home page:http://www.2gnt.com/index.php?d=bullettdsm

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congrats... you got some great NA numbers!

Great job mark!!! What were you running for fuel? Pump gas? Ohh yeah and I would love to see AMM's intake, I've seen his neon ones but not his 2gnt ones.

96' eclipse gs, 2gb conversion
built bottom end, crane #16 cams, hx40 pro billet, MS1 v3 MSn'S-E, 3.55 trans, quaife lsd

Captain Caveman

96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

wiki home page:http://www.2gnt.com/index.php?d=bullettdsm

Originally posted by bullettdsm
The last pull ended up being a 203.8whp with 169tq and climbing before, it looks like, I ran out of gas . She just suddenly went lean, so she either ran out of gas or the 190 walbro gave up the ghost. Will check into that.

Captain Caveman

96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

wiki home page:http://www.2gnt.com/index.php?d=bullettdsm

From talking with Mike, you will need to send him the lower portion of the intake. He also said that there is a hefty wait time right now. I'd like to post the price he told me, but I don't know if I can.

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woo woo! congrats mark now u need to put one of my heads on there. =) i love seeing my stuff do well, thanks for doing the dyno and its ok that there wasnt a comparison against the obx, i knew it would do better than it. he he.


mike

GJ man ;]

Car Status: P0140 o2 circuit number bank 1 sensor 2 Cel. Ill fix it tomorow lol.

Estimated mileage on engine: 15,xxx

Way to go Mark! Congrats. I would love to have an intake manifold like that.

98 GS
Super 17c Turbo, Portfueler, Je pistons, Eagle rods, Etc.

Captain Caveman

96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

wiki home page:http://www.2gnt.com/index.php?d=bullettdsm

Finally got some dyno sheets scanned (yeah, I'm lazy). Not the greatest pics but if you source them at putfile you can see them close up.

Ok, first sheet is the 203.8whp with 169tq run. you can see that we were still climbing when she ran out of fuel.


Also make note that the particular program that Matt uses does not write up torque numbers. We had to plot them out on the graph using the mouse. Kinda annoying.

This was a full run at 202.7whp with 168tq. You can see that the curves are pretty nice. Torque holds not too bad.


And last is that full run held against the previous set-up of the OBX and e-bay header (from a previous day on the dyno). You can see that we bettered the whole curve

Captain Caveman

96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

wiki home page:http://www.2gnt.com/index.php?d=bullettdsm

Damn, that was quick. I thought it would take a bit longer to get to 200. Congrats, how long we got to wait for a track run?

Captain Caveman

96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

wiki home page:http://www.2gnt.com/index.php?d=bullettdsm

Captain Caveman

96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

wiki home page:http://www.2gnt.com/index.php?d=bullettdsm

Bad ass man! I've been waiting forever to see how Mike's SRIM would do on the dyno. Now I know I'll definitely be having him fab me one up someday in the future.

Congrats Mark! Who knew the fastest NA would be from Connecticut!! =P

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1996 Eclipse RS-Turbo

I knew it would happen sooner or later. 200+ whp on a NA 420a is very impressive. Congratulations.

So now that the 200hp barrier has been broken whats the next goal? 225whp? Is it even possible?

98 Eclipse GS Turbo
Built motor - MS2 - Holset hy35 - Zoom Stg 4 Clutch - 57.5mm TB - ARP Headstuds - Turbonetics wastegate - 3" Turbo back - FMIC - Greddy RZ BOV - Walbro 255 - 650cc Injectors - Fidanza Flywheel - Cobra calipers w/ 13" Rotors - Oil Cooler - DevilsOwn meth injection

1981 Chevy Scottsdale
1987 Nissan 300zx - Chump Car
2001 BMW 325i

of course its possible.......... and i think he will get it, but all in good time.


mike

Hey guys whats up....? I was pretty impressed when mark called me and told me the dyno results. We where both unsure at first if this would be a success or turn into a big flop... like always mathematical theories look good on paper but as always it take a real life test to see if your efforts where worth anything.


I've gotten a few IM's already about people intested in purchasing an LTH. So I don't have to repeat my self about a bazillion times I'll say here what I have been telling people who ask. I'm in the process of getting quotes for lazer cutting the flangs, pricing out tubing, and flex sections, and everything else. I don't have any idea of a price right now, I'm still working on getting an idea of a total cost for materials. At first I will only offer these in mild steel, I Had some problems with my mandrel bender (lost control of a few solenoids) so light gauge stainless will come at a later date if there is enough interest. I would deff like to produce a few batch's of these for the 2gnt community so if there is enough interest I'll do what it takes to make it happen.

I'll welcome any questions anyone has IM me and I'll get back to ya.


And I want to say congradulations to mark, I didn't get a chance to the other night, when he called I was about done with my day and did a better job absorbing what he said than responding to it...

So congrats Mark, I can't wait to see how far you can push the 420A, you've done some amazing stuff so far, I can't wait to see what comes in the future.

Creative thinking? Ingenuity? Hell, It's just an obsession!



99 Eclipse GS turbo: MSpowered, everything custom built, 223.8 HP-199.8 TQ @8psi through auto-tranny. The first time around...

I finally had another chance to get online... and to read through this again... and I noticed that Mark stated that I also do "bling"... lol... almost but not quite, what we do at our shop is mostly R&D. But none the less It's all about custom fab and pushing the limits. Performance is our goal. Enough said. I'm open and willing to try to squeeze any crazy ideas anybody might have into my schedule, I like a challenge and if anyone has any ideas about building something that hasen't been done before hit me up. We'll see what we can do. I'm keeping my internet business limited to the 2gnt comunity, I have a few things up on honda-tech but its simple minor stuff. So anybody else in the future that dreams up something crazy that might just squeeze out a few more HP out of our cars and needs somebody to build it let me know.



As far as the LTH goes... I have three quotes comming back to me the end of next week. Hopefully I will have some answers for everybody then.

Creative thinking? Ingenuity? Hell, It's just an obsession!



99 Eclipse GS turbo: MSpowered, everything custom built, 223.8 HP-199.8 TQ @8psi through auto-tranny. The first time around...

i'd like to see a manifold designed with the runner section of this header:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/jdmc-95-99-ECLIPSE-HEADER-SILVER-CERAMIC-STEEL-NT-4-1_W0QQitemZ280201275197QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item280201275197

if you were to cut off the last inch and half of tubing just before the collector and weld in the collector & turbo flange right there... wastegate towards the tranny and turbo intake towards the passenger side, (just like the one in your sig pic) should work out to be a decent manifold... fairly equal length runners, and easy 3" downpipe route. actually, i'm kinda wondering why this hasn't already been done...?

Probably because the turbo would be placed too low and either be hitting the starter or the radiator.

96' eclipse gs, 2gb conversion
built bottom end, crane #16 cams, hx40 pro billet, MS1 v3 MSn'S-E, 3.55 trans, quaife lsd

Great job! As one of the all-motor club, I love to see the engine pushed like this.

Assume a 15% driveline loss (which is reasonable for our cars) and you would have 240 crank HP (ok, 239.76hp). All motor. Very nice indeed.

"Tutto fa brodo."

Todd Scungio
98 RS
15.173 @ 90.70 MPH

And also a 2011 Ralliart