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xavier3jrFeb-11-07 11:02 AM
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#103062, "engine problems....timeing...."


          

OK guys im fucking stumped..........i really am clueless to no end anymore and i've put so much money in thsi pos its not funny. out so i did a bottom end rebuild followed everything to the book just a stock rebuild. after i got it running i drove it for about 2-3 days can't remeber exactly, and it skipped timeing like waho. so i let it sit forever just being pissed off. well this last week or so i decided to just say fuck it and try and fix it, so i tore into it again! notice the idler pully was lose figured i didnt tourge it down and thats why it skipped timeing. so bought a new head got it all together and turn it over and nothing for the first few times(guess no fuel pressure cuz it sat so long) then finaly it started!!! went up to about 1500 rpm's and died....wtf so i get out check timeing and cams are perfect and the crank is about 90 degrees off....wtf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! im stumped im ready to give the fuck up.....the lock pin is in the crank pully cams are good and tight so are the cam gears everything turns like it should.....im takeing it to a shop tommrow to see what they can do with it if i cant figure it out by in the morning.....all help would be apriciated and if its too much damage done or the shop cant fix it anyone want a 2gnt???



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RE: engine problems....timeing...., eclipse982nrRST, Feb-11-07 12:23 PM, #1
RE: engine problems....timeing...., xavier3jr, Feb-11-07 03:17 PM, #2
      RE: engine problems....timeing...., Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, Feb-11-07 08:15 PM, #3
           RE: engine problems....timeing...., xavier3jr, Feb-12-07 01:50 AM, #4
                RE: engine problems....timeing...., xavier3jr, Feb-12-07 02:46 AM, #5
                     RE: engine problems....timeing...., djtrickee, Feb-12-07 04:48 AM, #6
                          RE: engine problems....timeing...., Slo2g, Feb-12-07 05:33 AM, #7
                               RE: engine problems....timeing...., xavier3jr, Feb-12-07 05:51 AM, #8
                                    RE: engine problems....timeing...., Moderatorbullettdsm, Feb-12-07 08:14 AM, #9
                                         RE: engine problems....timeing...., eclipse982nrRST, Feb-12-07 11:14 AM, #10
                                              RE: engine problems....timeing...., Teamdougie2, Feb-12-07 11:49 AM, #11
                                              RE: engine problems....timeing...., Moderatorbullettdsm, Feb-12-07 11:51 AM, #12
                                                   RE: engine problems....timeing...., eclipse982nrRST, Feb-12-07 12:35 PM, #13
                                                        RE: engine problems....timeing...., xavier3jr, Feb-13-07 02:02 AM, #14

eclipse982nrRSTFeb-11-07 12:23 PM
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#103063, "RE: engine problems....timeing...."
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Originally posted by xavier3jr
OK guys im fucking stumped..........i really am clueless to no end anymore and i've put so much money in thsi pos its not funny. out so i did a bottom end rebuild followed everything to the book just a stock rebuild. after i got it running i drove it for about 2-3 days can't remeber exactly, and it skipped timeing like waho. so i let it sit forever just being pissed off. well this last week or so i decided to just say fuck it and try and fix it, so i tore into it again! notice the idler pully was lose figured i didnt tourge it down and thats why it skipped timeing. so bought a new head got it all together and turn it over and nothing for the first few times(guess no fuel pressure cuz it sat so long) then finaly it started!!! went up to about 1500 rpm's and died....wtf so i get out check timeing and cams are perfect and the crank is about 90 degrees off....wtf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! im stumped im ready to give the fuck up.....the lock pin is in the crank pully cams are good and tight so are the cam gears everything turns like it should.....im takeing it to a shop tommrow to see what they can do with it if i cant figure it out by in the morning.....all help would be apriciated and if its too much damage done or the shop cant fix it anyone want a 2gnt???


I will take it, lol. Chill out man, your just getting bad luck, we all get it. Trust. I say this to everyone since it hapened to me, have you checked to make sure the cam dowel pins arent broken? if you take the gear completely off, try to wiggle the pin on the end of the cam w/ some pliers. Dont just look at it w/ the gear on because it can still be held in place, mine was and I never thought of it until I removed the gear. I would check that. Also, maybe your tensioner is failing and losing slack and the belt is just slipping. Calm down before you beat up your car, just sit down, turn on your favorite movie and throw back a couple of beers and then think it over again. Everything will be okay emoji

-MIKE-

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xavier3jrFeb-11-07 03:17 PM
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#103065, "RE: engine problems....timeing...."
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oh its way past beating up the car lol.....this has been going on since april of last year....lmao. i've checked the pints everything is good tentioner is brand new and the belt is tight as can be!



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Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOneFeb-11-07 08:15 PM
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#103068, "RE: engine problems....timeing...."
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You need a new tensioner.

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xavier3jrFeb-12-07 01:50 AM
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#103069, "RE: engine problems....timeing...."
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tintioner is good tho... even when i put it in a clam its a PITA to push in to get hte pin in it its still got very good tention



96 GS - 5 Speed
E-bay Cool Air Intake(Short Ram-Add'd K&N Filter)
High Flow Cat
MSD Coil & Wires - NGK Plugs
E-bay Header and Down Pipe
Metal Shifter Barrings-Energy Shifter bushings
Custom 2 1/2 Cat back
Stage 1 Clutch & Tranny
Front&Rear Sway Bars
S-Afc II
55MM TB
17" Alloy Wheels(Gun Metal)
Metalic grey paint-97-99 Conversion-Turbo spoiler
Custom Painted Interior
Rebuilding Engine as of 8-27-06

  
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xavier3jrFeb-12-07 02:46 AM
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#103070, "RE: engine problems....timeing...."
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i don't know weather or not i should feel extremly happy or extremly fucking mad! i did exactly what you told me not to do mike.....i just backed the bolts off and looked saw it was there put em back on, never took timeing belt off or nothing. so this mornign when i got off work i decided i was going to check everything before i sent it to the shop. so i took off tieming belt took off exaust cam gear perfectly fine took off intake cam gear guess what falls in my hand?!?!. so now im stuck with another problem did it do this before or after i put this new head on here. my cams and caps have about 90k on them the head only has 40k or so on it. when i toruqed down the caps i couldnt turn the cams by hand. thats how much newer the head is then my caps and cams. so do you guys think it did it because the cams were to tight or it did this before. and if it did it after i put this head on whats my options.



96 GS - 5 Speed
E-bay Cool Air Intake(Short Ram-Add'd K&N Filter)
High Flow Cat
MSD Coil & Wires - NGK Plugs
E-bay Header and Down Pipe
Metal Shifter Barrings-Energy Shifter bushings
Custom 2 1/2 Cat back
Stage 1 Clutch & Tranny
Front&Rear Sway Bars
S-Afc II
55MM TB
17" Alloy Wheels(Gun Metal)
Metalic grey paint-97-99 Conversion-Turbo spoiler
Custom Painted Interior
Rebuilding Engine as of 8-27-06

  
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#103072, "RE: engine problems....timeing...."
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 Feb-12-07 05:52 AM by djtrickee



          

Are you using the old cam caps with the new head? The cam caps are head specific and are not interchangeable between heads. I your new head didn't come with the cam caps then it is trash and you will need to find another head that has its original cam caps with it. If there was too much tension on the cams for them to spin the of course the timing belt is going to spin the gears and shear off the pins. Depending on where the cams where in the rotation cycle the valves could be bent of fine.

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#103073, "RE: engine problems....timeing...."
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He couldn't polish them? I am asking because I have heard that they can be polished and that they can't.

  
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xavier3jrFeb-12-07 05:51 AM
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#103074, "RE: engine problems....timeing...."
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yea please tell me i can polish the head and caps.... i don't have the money for another head lol.... i didnt wana beleave you even tho you've never steerd me wrong before i just got off the phone with mitsubishi they ARE head spasific...... i need soemthing done because i really really need my car running and im out of money



96 GS - 5 Speed
E-bay Cool Air Intake(Short Ram-Add'd K&N Filter)
High Flow Cat
MSD Coil & Wires - NGK Plugs
E-bay Header and Down Pipe
Metal Shifter Barrings-Energy Shifter bushings
Custom 2 1/2 Cat back
Stage 1 Clutch & Tranny
Front&Rear Sway Bars
S-Afc II
55MM TB
17" Alloy Wheels(Gun Metal)
Metalic grey paint-97-99 Conversion-Turbo spoiler
Custom Painted Interior
Rebuilding Engine as of 8-27-06

  
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ModeratorbullettdsmFeb-12-07 08:14 AM
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#103075, "RE: engine problems....timeing...."
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Ouch. Sorry, no good news here. Caps cannot be polished to fit. They are bored on each head, specific to each head. Can they be re-bored? Yeah, but with the cost and time of that, it will be cheaper and quicker to get another head.

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eclipse982nrRSTFeb-12-07 11:14 AM
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#103082, "RE: engine problems....timeing...."
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Originally posted by bullettdsm
Ouch. Sorry, no good news here. Caps cannot be polished to fit. They are bored on each head, specific to each head. Can they be re-bored? Yeah, but with the cost and time of that, it will be cheaper and quicker to get another head.


Correct. Your going to need new cams too, that dowel pin cannot be fixed. I have a set I will sell you for cheap because I feel your pain, I went thru the same thing! PM me again if you want them.

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#103083, "RE: engine problems....timeing...."
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 Feb-12-07 11:54 AM by dougie2



          

Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST
Your going to need new cams too, that dowel pin cannot be fixed.


The dowel pin is not even necessary... just visually line up the cam gear and torque down the bolt. It'll never move. The pin itself does not hold the gear in place, it's just there to make installation a no-brainer.


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#103084, "RE: engine problems....timeing...."
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Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST
Your going to need new cams too, that dowel pin cannot be fixed.


Not to cock block or anything, but you can re-dowel your cam. I got my crower 2's with a screwed up pin and I drilled out and went with an oversized dowel. No problems BUT, this really needs to be done very accurately. Easy to drill crooked. You could also line up your gear and then put the dowel at a different point.

Of course, if it is a stocker cam, it's probably easier to just get another emoji

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97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
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#103085, "RE: engine problems....timeing...."
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Originally posted by bullettdsm
Originally posted by eclipse982nrRST Your going to need new cams too, that dowel pin cannot be fixed.
Not to cock block or anything, but you can re-dowel your cam. I got my crower 2's with a screwed up pin and I drilled out and went with an oversized dowel. No problems BUT, this really needs to be done very accurately. Easy to drill crooked. You could also line up your gear and then put the dowel at a different point. Of course, if it is a stocker cam, it's probably easier to just get another emoji


I brought mine to a local machine shop, actually 2 of them, and neither would even attempt it. You could go too big and when the new dowel is pressed in, it could split the end of the cam.

Just going by what they told me. Plus I would not run it without the dowel myself. Yes you can just torque the bolt down but the factory put that dowel there for a reason, therefor I personally wouldnt go with out it. Thats what when it hap'd to me, I bought new cams.

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#103099, "RE: engine problems....timeing...."
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i have another set of cams. i think im going to sell it if anyone is interested in anything check my thread in b/s/t if i can get atleast the block tranny and rims sold ill part it out.



96 GS - 5 Speed
E-bay Cool Air Intake(Short Ram-Add'd K&N Filter)
High Flow Cat
MSD Coil & Wires - NGK Plugs
E-bay Header and Down Pipe
Metal Shifter Barrings-Energy Shifter bushings
Custom 2 1/2 Cat back
Stage 1 Clutch & Tranny
Front&Rear Sway Bars
S-Afc II
55MM TB
17" Alloy Wheels(Gun Metal)
Metalic grey paint-97-99 Conversion-Turbo spoiler
Custom Painted Interior
Rebuilding Engine as of 8-27-06

  
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