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Teamdougie2Sep-30-04 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by Mattchew
When I said 2 models I was referring to the two above the 20G. The 20G-H and the 20G-N. Either way they are just bigger exducer wheels.


Incorrect. The S20G uses a 10cm^2 TD05H turbine section, the S20G-H uses a std. TD06H, and the S20G-N uses a 10cm^2 TD06H. That's all on Hahn's website.

Originally posted by Mattchew
Siueclipe, your car as it sits has the potential to put down high 300 and maybe even clear 400hp. It's going to be a matter of tuning and race gas.


Incorrect. Tuning and race gas will not even come close to increasing output by 60-70 horsepower on the setup he ran.

Originally posted by Mattchew
Armond never crossed 400hp until he added race gas. Using pump gas to max out hp is a bad idea.


Huh? As far as I know most gasoline fuels should have the same potential energy regardless of it's octane rating. Higher octane fuel delays pre-ignition. It burns slower. You only need higher octane fuel if you're increasing the compression ratio (I'm not talking about static CR here guys.)


Originally posted by Siueclipse
Whatever someone dyno's at, you can expect at least 10whp more on the road.


That's a dumb-ass statement. There's no way to measure that.

Originally posted by Mattchew
With a dyno jet roller dyno your looking at no real world resistance on the car or even drag from moving through the air. If anything you lose that hp when you go on the road.


Incorrect. Drag and load don't reduce an engine's power output. Acceleration maybe. Now... the stock ECU will advance ignition timing at higher loads and that would effect power output.

Originally posted by Mattchew
If the dyno was setup correctly the only factor that should matter as far as effecting hp would be that you would see more airflow and cooler temps.


Whoa, you flip-flopped. What about moisture and barometric pressure?

Originally posted by turbo8u
cooler ambient air temps dont mean shit on a car thats intercooled. it does however increase the efficiency of the intercooler to have cooler air flowing over it. its the actual intake air temp in the manifold that matters.


Incorrect. If you were to pump 100* inlet temps through an intercooler with 75* ambient air flowing over it, would the outlet temps be the same if you were to pump 60* inlet temps through it? Let me simplify. The cooler the air enters the turbo compressor, the cooler it will leave the compressor. The cooler it enters the intercooler, the cooler it will exit the intercooler. The cooler it exits the intercooler, the cooler it enters the manifold.

Originally posted by Mattchew
A pull down the track in June or July may not yeild better results than a dyno pull in December.


Huh? Am I the only one that's confused by these comments?

Originally posted by turbo8u
the actual acceleration of the motor is much slower than when it was tested and it ends up being leaner.


A little leaner than 11.6:1 AFR is typically going to help produce a little more horsepower. Lean is good. Lean is powerful. Lean is fast. Lean is also dangerous. Flip-flop... must be a bunch of John Kerry wanna-bes.

Originally posted by turbo8u
you want to tune full throttle on the street, then dyno tune.
or better yet, load bearing dyno


If you're tuning a street car, then it's beter to tune on the street... not on a load bearing dyno. It's just EASIER on the dyno.

Originally posted by turbo8u
a dynojet calulates horspower and torque based off a few things.

one horsepower is equal to a 550 pound force through a distance of 1 foot in one second. so basically it would take 1 HP to lift a 550 pound weight up 1 foot in 1 second. to meausre hp you need to know the force in lbs as well as the velocity in feet per second. it emasures acceleration with the juge drums as well as how much forceis turning them. the force on the dyno drum is calculated from acceleration using newton's 2nd law, force = mass X acceleration. if they know how much the drums weigh and acceleration is measured, the computer can calculate horsepower. torque is calculated as well with horsepower X 5252 / RPM

once they have the numbers a few correction factors are applied, some made public, some hidden. public correction factor is the SAE correction. (standard) this formula assumes a mechanical efficiency of 85%.

the formula used for a dynojet inertial dyno is: CF= 1.18 X (29.22/Bdo) X ((Square Root(To+460)/537)) with 'To' being intake air temp F, 'Bdo' being barometric absolute press. this correction factor is meant to predict output in varying atmospheric conditions and is a +/- 7%


LOL. I know the website where you copied that from. Nice job trying to make it look like your own work. You should've just cut & pasted it exactly instead of changing caps and punctuation. I didn't know your car was German.



Doug

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