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TeamStan2gntFeb-23-02 04:10 PM
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#16240, "RE: Comparing 10psi on the HRC S16g kit vs. 10psi on the Star T3-T4 kit"
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I now have a 96NT with a HRC
>S16G, FMIC, 3" exhaust, AFC and running 5-6psi. Now on the
>other hand I have a heavily modified 92 GVR4 with a T3/T4,
>30x12x2.5" FMIC, 3" turbo back exhaust, VPC, GCC...... Now
>having said this the Galant runs 18-19psi on pump gas and
>really pulls, but there is no real kick until 14psi after
>that your thrown back in the seat. Bottom line is the Talon
>feels stronger in the early stages of boost then the Galant
>of course, but from my point of view I don't see the T3/T4
>being much fun unless you can run high boost levels.

Well thats just 420A superiority (joke). Really though your talking about a car that only had 7.8 compression and designed to spool a 14B, not to mention the added task of a pushing power thru a 4wheel drivetrain. it probably had hard enough time mustering up enough exhaust energy to spin the 14B down low let alone a T3/T4. 4G63 people complain of the S16G having too much lag, naturally a T3/T4 isn't going to help any. Also a T3/T4 with what specs. A T3/T4 with a .48 AR and stage 2 wheel is gonna spool helluva lot faster than one with a .82AR and stage 3 wheel. If there's no kick until 14psi how is a smaller turbo going to fix that?. the question is where do you reach 14psi? If you reach 14psi at say 3500rpms a smaller turbo isn't going to make it feel any faster except from 0-3500rpms and at part throttle. If you reach high boost above where its useful to you thats poor turbo selection or a set up being used outside its intended use (I suppose if Lisa Kubo's turbo doesn't kick in until 5500rpms it doesn't matter. I suppose your priority for choosing a T3/T4 to begin with was drag racing, hence the race gas). A star turbo kicks in fully by 3500rpms on a 2GNT which is plenty useful and feelable in normal driving situations.

Dyno numbers, I have no doubt the
>T3/T4 will make more power the the S16G at the same boost
>levels but my seat of the pants dyno says the S16G will feel
>stronger at that boost level because you'll be waiting
>forever for the T3/T4 to spool.

Again when a Star kits boost gauge reads 5psi, a S16G thats reading 5psi isn't going to feel faster as long as they are reading the same thing. it(S16G) may feel slower due to smaller compressor wheel/flow and smaller turbine/backpressure (I doubt heat is an issue with either at this point). It (S16G) will feel faster below the threshold of full boost (because its producing more boost) which happens to be around 3500rpms for the star kit. and throttle response will be better because it will likely still spool with less exhaust energy at any rpm. I think the S16G probably feels faster when not going all out (cruising, high gear passing, part throttle toying with hondas). From 3500rpm on @ full boost I really doubt it feels faster. There really isn't any waiting in the way that it sounds. You wait for 3500rpm and Smack full boost is almost instant. You dont HAVE to drive below 3500rpm except to take off smoothly (in other words if you want it bad enough the power is there with a star kit, you just may have to work for it sometimes. you may need to downshift when you dont feel like it on occasion. so what you look a little silly cruising at 3800rpms waiting for that honda in your rear view to come up on you. at least you wont be disappointed when you nail it when he's about next to you going full steam and there's still something left to take him).


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Comparing 10psi on the HRC S16g kit vs. 10psi on the Star T3-T4 kit [View all] , Greg, Feb-22-02 09:38 AM
  RE: Comparing 10psi on the HRC S16g kit vs. 10psi on the Star T3-T4 kit, Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, Feb-22-02 10:07 AM, #1
RE: Comparing 10psi on the HRC S16g kit vs. 10psi on the Star T3-T4 kit, cyan, Feb-22-02 05:56 PM, #2
      RE: Comparing 10psi on the HRC S16g kit vs. 10psi on the Star T3-T4 kit, Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, Feb-22-02 06:10 PM, #3
           RE: Comparing 10psi on the HRC S16g kit vs. 10psi on the Star T3-T4 kit, Teameclipse804, Feb-22-02 06:16 PM, #4
                RE: Comparing 10psi on the HRC S16g kit vs. 10psi on the Star T3-T4 kit, Mystic511, Feb-22-02 07:25 PM, #5
                     RE: Comparing 10psi on the HRC S16g kit vs. 10psi on the Star T3-T4 kit, Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, Feb-22-02 07:33 PM, #6
                          RE: Comparing 10psi on the HRC S16g kit vs. 10psi on the Star T3-T4 kit, Dave_FL, Feb-23-02 04:32 AM, #7
                               RE: Comparing 10psi on the HRC S16g kit vs. 10psi on the Star T3-T4 kit, Matt_95tgs, Feb-23-02 04:41 AM, #8
                                    RE: Comparing 10psi on the HRC S16g kit vs. 10psi on the Star T3-T4 kit, Nitrous_RS1997, Feb-23-02 05:08 AM, #9
                                         RE: Comparing 10psi on the HRC S16g kit vs. 10psi on the Star T3-T4 kit, ModeratorEvuLFleA, Feb-23-02 05:18 AM, #10
                                         RE: Comparing 10psi on the HRC S16g kit vs. 10psi on the Star T3-T4 kit, TeamJasonESi_T, Feb-23-02 05:54 AM, #11
                                         RE: Comparing 10psi on the HRC S16g kit vs. 10psi on the Star T3-T4 kit, Greg, Feb-23-02 06:28 AM, #12
                                              RE: Comparing 10psi on the HRC S16g kit vs. 10psi on the Star T3-T4 kit, Dave_FL, Feb-23-02 07:56 AM, #13
                                                   RE: Comparing 10psi on the HRC S16g kit vs. 10psi on the Star T3-T4 kit, TeamStan2gnt, Feb-23-02 11:55 AM, #14
                                                   RE: Comparing 10psi on the HRC S16g kit vs. 10psi on the Star T3-T4 kit, sean, Feb-23-02 12:32 PM, #15
                                                        RE: Comparing 10psi on the HRC S16g kit vs. 10psi on the Star T3-T4 kit, TeamStan2gnt, Feb-23-02 04:10 PM #16
                                                   RE: Comparing 10psi on the HRC S16g kit vs. 10psi on the Star T3-T4 kit, Greg, Feb-23-02 04:43 PM, #17
                                                        RE: Comparing 10psi on the HRC S16g kit vs. 10psi on the Star T3-T4 kit, Dave_FL, Feb-24-02 06:46 AM, #18
                                                             RE: Comparing 10psi on the HRC S16g kit vs. 10psi on the Star T3-T4 kit, Avenger EST, Feb-24-02 08:21 AM, #19
                                                             RE: Comparing 10psi on the HRC S16g kit vs. 10psi on the Star T3-T4 kit, RyaN95i4, Feb-26-02 08:13 AM, #27
RE: Comparing 10psi on the HRC S16g kit vs. 10psi on the Star T3-T4 kit, 99Silver1100, Feb-24-02 08:41 AM, #20
RE: Comparing 10psi on the HRC S16g kit vs. 10psi on the Star T3-T4 kit, ModeratorEvuLFleA, Feb-24-02 08:49 AM, #21
      RE: Comparing 10psi on the HRC S16g kit vs. 10psi on the Star T3-T4 kit, TeamStan2gnt, Feb-25-02 03:13 AM, #22
           RE: Comparing 10psi on the HRC S16g kit vs. 10psi on the Star T3-T4 kit, evan2, Feb-25-02 03:46 AM, #23
                RE: Comparing 10psi on the HRC S16g kit vs. 10psi on the Star T3-T4 kit, midnite_racer, Feb-25-02 09:37 AM, #24
                RE: Comparing 10psi on the HRC S16g kit vs. 10psi on the Star T3-T4 kit, jZa, Feb-25-02 10:04 AM, #25
                RE: Comparing 10psi on the HRC S16g kit vs. 10psi on the Star T3-T4 kit, Dave_FL, Feb-25-02 12:30 PM, #26
                     RE: Comparing 10psi on the HRC S16g kit vs. 10psi on the Star T3-T4 kit, SaberKhan, Feb-26-02 08:43 AM, #28

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