Man you hit the nail on the head about Honda owners being lame. I used to own a Honda when I was younger but wasn't much into making it fast since it was an automatic. I have owned my 2g for almost 7 years now but have thought about buying another Honda because of their reliability and good gas efficency. So I go the other day and post over in a civic forum about how I may be picking up another civic and post a pic of my old civic that had a clean bodykit with 16" rims. Just about every member on their forum flamed me just cause my old car had rims and a kit. WTF?? Some guys that were in their senses pointed out how it was cleaner looking than most of the cars in that site but to 98% of the people in their forum rims and kit meant automatic rice. Funny thing is that all their cars looked exactly alike. They all had cheap ebay lip kits, tiny 14" colored rims, tow hooks on the rear bumper(God only knows why cause a Honda ain't ever towing shit), and all were dropped on saggy looking springs. Their attitude alone made me decide against buying another honda. I'd rather own a driveway full of broken down dsm's than own a Honda and be "Cool" like them.