i sell the generic stuff thats exactly the same, i sell it on ebay for 26.50 / 12 sq ft under user name wu24 and got feedback to back up its the same stuff w/o the logos. i'll sell it to you for only 21.50 / 12 sq. ft. shipping is usually about 6$ then like $3 for every additional roll. i also sell some other stuff that damps better and is lighter but it costs more. email for details (wu36@bellsouth.net) p.s. i don't think this is considered spam because it pertains to the topic and i'm just trying to save you more than 50% !!