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siueclipseSep-29-04 07:19 PM
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#77214, "Well, lets just say this..."
Sep-29-04 07:40 PM by siueclipse

          

I didn't break 400whp. Ill have dyno sheet posted tomorrow along with a few other pictures of the nights adventure. I did borrow my buddies camera, but he didn't leave the data cord for it to pull the images off of it. So, Ill have to wait for tomorrow. Overall they were good whp numbers and great torque numbers.

I will be posting a dyno sheet from 21lbs of boost. We did run 26lbs of boost on PUMP GAS with the HRC portfueler (11.6 AFR). However, the run didn't last long because my lower radiator hose decided to burst half way through the pull after turbo spool. We called it a night after that because it was getting late. Also, we never got around to adjusting the cam gears or doing anything with timing. After we got the radiator hose replaced.. on my way home, I ran 25lbs of boost and it felt damn good. Mental note, do not buy OBX high temp radiator hoses.

Also.. here is my idiot move for the day. When I was doing my pulls, I was doing them in 3rd gear. 3rd gear doesn't compare to 4th gear when it comes to dyno results. I didn't realize... I always do my pulls in 4th.

The map HRC gave with the portfueler definetly needs to be tuned for my setup. I didn't adjust the map at all because it simply doesn't make sense. I had a tuner with me looking at the maps and they didn't make sense to him. This guy tunes RX7's, Hondas, Lambos, just about anything. The map didn't look right to him. Some points were starting lean, going rich, then going lean again. While some points looked like they went rich, got lean, and went rich again. Something isn't right with it, however it does work just fine for high boost.

As far as my old dyno numbers.. I was told that the dyno jet ive been running on had the main unit replaced in it because it was and a quote, "defective". What that means, I dont know because I wasn't told. Something about it either not working or not reporting RPM values. (If you don't believe me, call Slingblade and find out for your self). I did doubt my numbers from the past when comparing them to others which I never did before.

Anyway, we will be going back next week when my buddy's Honda is running so we can get a deal on dyno time. Tonight cost me $200 bux for 3 and a half hours.

Im not even going to say the numbers obtained from tonight. Ill let you see them tomorrow for yourself so nobody gets their panties in a bunch tonight and can actually get some sleep... (mattchew).. lol

Take Care,
James



  

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TXTurboGSSep-29-04 07:32 PM
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#77215, "RE: Well, lets just say this..."
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25psi on pump gas!! No shit bro. I'm eagerly awaiting the numbers. I wonder why Bill said not to mess around with more than 15psi of boost on pump gas.

  

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injendsmSep-29-04 07:32 PM
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#77216, "RE: Well, lets just say this..."
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what were the numbers?


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siueclipseSep-29-04 07:37 PM
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#77217, "RE: Well, lets just say this..."
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Originally posted by TXTurboGS
25psi on pump gas!! No shit bro. I'm eagerly awaiting the numbers. I wonder why Bill said not to mess around with more than 15psi of boost on pump gas.


Honestly, timing and knock may have been an issue up there. Don't know cause I didn't have a way to find out.

The numbers could be better.. Lets just put it that way. It seems that the entry level 20g turbo I have looses efficiently quick.



  

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SteveSep-29-04 07:53 PM
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#77220, "RE: Well, lets just say this..."
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hmmm. Ive been waiting to see a dyno sheet to but never said anything. I admire the setup though..Good luck.

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I guess I'll just have to live with a 500+ hp AWD 4-banger.

  

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xtrickedeclipsexSep-29-04 08:18 PM
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#77221, "RE: Well, lets just say this..."
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#77222, "RE: Well, lets just say this..."
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i'm gonna guess 340-350. eehhh, 330, eehh, somewhere around there.

  

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Teamdougie2Sep-30-04 01:20 AM
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#77223, "RE: Well, lets just say this..."
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Originally posted by siueclipse
The map HRC gave with the portfueler definetly needs to be tuned for my setup. I didn't adjust the map at all because it simply doesn't make sense. I had a tuner with me looking at the maps and they didn't make sense to him. .... Some points were starting lean, going rich, then going lean again. While some points looked like they went rich, got lean, and went rich again. Something isn't right with it, however it does work just fine for high boost


I had a feeling this would be a problem, with HRC trying to "preprogram" the AIC. I've never heard anything sillier.

Good luck tuning it, the Split Sec software is still very basic but it's confusing as hell!



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MattchewSep-30-04 04:17 AM
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#77232, "RE: Well, lets just say this..."
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Sep-30-04 04:27 AM by Mattchew

          

Originally posted by siueclipse
Originally posted by TXTurboGS 25psi on pump gas!! No shit bro. I'm eagerly awaiting the numbers. I wonder why Bill said not to mess around with more than 15psi of boost on pump gas.
Honestly, timing and knock may have been an issue up there. Don't know cause I didn't have a way to find out. The numbers could be better.. Lets just put it that way. It seems that the entry level 20g turbo I have looses efficiently quick.


Are you talking about the same turbo you have for sale? If so the 20G-N is not the entry level 20G. Hahn has two other models besides that one but none of which are designed to make any more hp than the other. They should all be good for around 400WHP or better. I don't know what kind of numbers you put down but if your not close to 400hp your not outgrowing the turbo yet. Armond made 400hp with the entry level 20G.

No matter what you still have room to grow.

  

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siueclipseSep-30-04 04:25 AM
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#77235, "RE: Well, lets just say this..."
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Originally posted by Mattchew
Originally posted by siueclipse
Originally posted by TXTurboGS 25psi on pump gas!! No shit bro. I'm eagerly awaiting the numbers. I wonder why Bill said not to mess around with more than 15psi of boost on pump gas.
Honestly, timing and knock may have been an issue up there. Don't know cause I didn't have a way to find out. The numbers could be better.. Lets just put it that way. It seems that the entry level 20g turbo I have looses efficiently quick.
Are you talking about the same turbo you have for sale? If so the 20G-N is not the entry level 20G. Hahn has two other models besides that one but none of which are designed to make any more hp than the other. They should all be good for around 400WHP or better. I don't know what kind of numbers you put down but if your not close to 400hp your not outgrowing the turbo yet. Armond made 400hp with the entry level 20G.


I dont have the 20g-n. Im selling the entry level. This turbo seems to loose efficiency after about 23lbs of boost or something is wrong with the tuning. HRC has 3 models of the 20g turbo, not 2 and there are different sizes of the 20g turbo which work in different fashions.

In about 30 minutes ill have pics and dyno shots on my server.

James



  

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MattchewSep-30-04 04:33 AM
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#77237, "RE: Well, lets just say this..."
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Originally posted by siueclipse
Originally posted by Mattchew
Originally posted by siueclipse
Originally posted by TXTurboGS 25psi on pump gas!! No shit bro. I'm eagerly awaiting the numbers. I wonder why Bill said not to mess around with more than 15psi of boost on pump gas.
Honestly, timing and knock may have been an issue up there. Don't know cause I didn't have a way to find out. The numbers could be better.. Lets just put it that way. It seems that the entry level 20g turbo I have looses efficiently quick.
Are you talking about the same turbo you have for sale? If so the 20G-N is not the entry level 20G. Hahn has two other models besides that one but none of which are designed to make any more hp than the other. They should all be good for around 400WHP or better. I don't know what kind of numbers you put down but if your not close to 400hp your not outgrowing the turbo yet. Armond made 400hp with the entry level 20G.
I dont have the 20g-n. Im selling the entry level. This turbo seems to loose efficiency after about 23lbs of boost or something is wrong with the tuning. HRC has 3 models of the 20g turbo, not 2 and there are different sizes of the 20g turbo which work in different fashions. In about 30 minutes ill have pics and dyno shots on my server. James



OK, I misread your for sale post, I see now you are going to the 20G-N. When I said 2 models I was referring to the two above the 20G. The 20G-H and the 20G-N. Either way they are just bigger exducer wheels.

  

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