I already have a SAFC... but was wondering what is better...

I have a ITS T3/T4 Hybrid 480cc injectors upgraded fuel pump and ajustable FPR.

E-manage definately. Complete stand-alone lets you tune the exact fuel curves.

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I'm running Emanage with 440cc injectors. The previous owner of my engine/turbo kit was using Accel DFI and 625cc injectors.

My tunning shop said that 500cc was the highest they could go on the Emanage. I really don't know.

I'd say E-manage by far. But correct me if I'm wrong...I don't think it's a complete stand alone. I beleive it's still a piggy back, but it offers much more tunablity of your fuel curve then an s-afc. It's a lot like the 4G63 guy's DSMLink...as you can use a computer interface to tweak to your hearts content

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i think the e-manange is overrated. saving up for an accel DFI VII would be a lot more effective. the e-manange alters fuel mixture the same way that the S-AFC does (by messing with the MAP sensor), therefore it doesn't adress the issue of advanced timing. for N/A people this isn't really an issue... the only neat thing about it is you get a nice GUI where with the S-AFC you just see a histogram looking thing.

...supposely, the e-manange can be hooked up to alter timing, but i've heard that no one has successfully done this on a 2gnt. jamesman has e-manange - i remember a huge thread about it that was posted a few months back...


EDIT: i forgot to add that according to a thread i read a few days ago, the e-manange can only accurately controll injectors that are 1.5 times as large as stock.

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E-manage is not in any way, shape, or form a stand-alone device. it is a piggy-back controller just like the SAFC, just with more bells and whistles. you run into the same problem with it, as you do with the SAFC when using just it to control large injectors, which is increased timing. it alters the MAP signal to close the injectors longer to make fuel leaner, just like the SAFC does. i do believe with the addition of the E01 boost controller, and other various sensors and things it either allows you to see your timing advance, or to adjust it, not sure which though. an E-manage setup with all the possible additions will cost upwards of 1k. ill take the DFI for that kinda cash.

1997 Silver RS
Wiseco 8.8:1 Pistons(back to low compression!)
Eagle Rods
T3/T4 Turbo
Custom FMIC
Greddy Exhaust
440's
Most current 1/8th mile time: 8.3@90mph 2.015 60'(Nitto Drag radials, i suck)

You can make power with anything if you know what you are doing. The E-Manage is better if you know how to use it.

It can control pretty large injectors. My setup is 525's with the E-manage and all sensors. That is the largest I could find in saturated. It will meet my needs just fine. Most people have not even maxed out what you can make with an AFC yet. Going standalone and not knowing how to use it is the worse thing you could do. Stick with what you understand and you will find you make the most power and have the most fun. Keep It Simple.

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>Going standalone and not knowing how to use it is the worse
>thing you could do. Stick with what you understand and you
>will find you make the most power and have the most fun. Keep
>It Simple.

Exactly.

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WERD to that Chris!

I honestly think the E-manage is the best setup for what most of us on this board do. A stand alone takes time to get everything right, and for installation, the emanage is 5 wires, as for a stand alone! I can't begin to count the number of connections that need to be made. Well, the unit does alter the map signal just like the AFC, but the timing advance issue can be addressed in other ways like Murix and I have done. honestly, with the afc I noticed that it was kind of slow, i think the processor in there is not that fast, the e-manage on the other hand appears to have a very fast processor so it can compensate better. As for the price tag. the emanage itself will run you around 500 dollars for everything. now when you add the e-01 BOOST CONTROLLER/e-manage programming unit/data display then you get to the 1000 dollar range. You have to remember for that 1000 you get a fuel computer, a boost controller, and a Data display. other than the standard 10 data parameters you can input 2 analog and 2 puls signals from anywhere else in teh car and scale it to anything you want. EG. my plans are to get AEM's UEGO unit and output the 5 volt signal to the e-01 and then scale it to A/F ratio, so on the screen it will say 9 or 14.7 or 11 instead of like .98 volt. So, basically, it appears that the people talking trash about the emanage are the ones that have not used it and have no idea what it is capable of. vinnie, Chris and I have been using it, and you have not heard any complaints from us, the ones who REALLY know.

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Just wanted to make sure, i was NOT bashing the E-manage at all. if it came off that way, i sure didnt mean for it to. you mentioned that even though it alters the MAP signal, which will increase timing in part-throttle, you have found a way to control this with the E-manage? or are you just pulling timing with a MSD DIS-2? thanks for the info.


1997 Silver RS
Wiseco 8.8:1 Pistons(back to low compression!)
Eagle Rods
T3/T4 Turbo
Custom FMIC
Greddy Exhaust
440's
Most current 1/8th mile time: 8.3@90mph 2.015 60'(Nitto Drag radials, i suck)

I also purchased a MSD DIS-2 ignition i hear this helps controll the timing??? So i have a SAFC and a MSD now.. What are the capabilities of a MSD ignition?