I finally got a hold of Crower today and will be sending them my spare cams as cores to make billet regrinds from. I should be able to ship them by the end of this week. I was told it's a 3-4 month process or so to get these manufactured so I would estimate a early to mid next year release date. They are working on the cams for Neon, PT Cruiser, & Eclipse Talon 420A's. And are aware of the indexing differences between models so they will have separate cams for the different applications.

So hold on to your pants ladies and gantleman, we are actually going to get some cams that drop in and go. Just be patient.

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The strongest way to block, is never to provoke a blow,
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To Be Installed: Ported/Polished Intake Manifold, Rear disc brake conversion kit, SS Brake Lines, Rear KVR Cross Drilled Rotors and KVR Carbon Fiber Kevlar Pads

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are they going to make turbo and nitrous cams too, or just cams for NA applications??

Toney
'97 RS 5 Speed (totaled)
15.4606@88.42 Mph
96 Toyota Celica GT
88 Toyota Supra NA-T (w/ sports package)
Got Boost?? Hell yeah I-6 turbo powah baby!

I'm several years ahead of you. I've been working with Ramiro (the cam guy) since way back in '97 and he said they were working on it back then due to the majority of neon enthusiasts. Crower is right around the corner from me. I went through several sets of regrinds. I even sold a set to someone on this board.. forgot who it was. If you're reading this.. step forward and tell me how they turned out for you.. because I haven't heard from you.

He's talking full billet cams, not regrinds, anyone can get regrinds but the gains are no where as good as a billet cam.

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Sprint Front Camber Kit
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Corbin's A/F Gauge
MSD DIS-2 Ignition System
Some Regrind Cams that need High Compression (which I don't have)
Ported Intake Manifold
Ported Throttle Body
Nameless Cold Air Intake with a K&N Filter
Custom 2 1/2 inch exhaust with Dual DTM Muffler
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Flame Red SRT-4 GT40,8.5:1 Built Shortblock, Brian Crower Stage 2 Cams, etc etc etc...

It's not that the gains aren't as good. If you go with mild sp
Crower will offer several different grinds.

"The fastest draw is when the sword never leaves the scabbard,
The strongest way to block, is never to provoke a blow,
And the cleanest cut is the one withheld."

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To Be Installed: Ported/Polished Intake Manifold, Rear disc brake conversion kit, SS Brake Lines, Rear KVR Cross Drilled Rotors and KVR Carbon Fiber Kevlar Pads

Firefly:
Mal: You don't know me, son, so let me put this to you plainly: If I ever kill you, you'll be awake. You'll be facing me. And you'll be armed.

>It's not that the gains aren't as good.

Trust me, I have regrinds, the gains ARE NOT as good as they are with billets. I understand all that about how you can make any spec you want with a billet cam, thats why the performance is much better. With a regrind you get 5 - 10 hp if that.

The WILDEST regrind you can make still won't compare to a billet cam, even the MOST streetable un-lumpy billet cam will have more power than a regrind.





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KYB AGX Struts
Neuspeed Sport Springs
5 Strut Bars (2 F/U, F/L, R/U, R/L)
Sprint Front Camber Kit
$15 Rear Camber Kit
Corbin's A/F Gauge
MSD DIS-2 Ignition System
Some Regrind Cams that need High Compression (which I don't have)
Ported Intake Manifold
Ported Throttle Body
Nameless Cold Air Intake with a K&N Filter
Custom 2 1/2 inch exhaust with Dual DTM Muffler
Empty Catalytic Convertor
Energy Suspension Motor Mount inserts
Hurricane_GS Short Shifter
Symborsky Shift Kit
Clutchmasters Stage 3 Modular
225/50/16inch Wheels and Tires


Audio:
Alpine CD Head Unit
Alpine Flex4 25W X 4 for Fronts and Rears
Alpine V-12 450W X 1 for Subs
Infinity Reference Series 5 1/4 and 1 inch tweeter component systems for fronts and rears
Blaupunkt 3 way 6x9's in the rears
3 MTX 5000 10" 12 ohm subs running 4 ohms mono

Flame Red SRT-4 GT40,8.5:1 Built Shortblock, Brian Crower Stage 2 Cams, etc etc etc...

wrong.. I was talking about billet/drop in cams. And you CAN get the same spec from a regrind as with a billet. My first set was reground to the same spec as bullfrog. Had to get rid of it because it overlapped too much when I turbocharged. What they do is weld extra metal to the lobes and reshape them. Blindly (if they don't have the whole head to do research) they pretty much can take any cam and give you performance out of it with a little more lift but staying on the conservative side with the duration. You have to tell them what you want. I had cams in my car back when I first found out about this site probably close to three years ago now. I did the research on it. And the power you get from cams depends on what other mods you have in your car. Such as opened up intake, larger tb, port and polished with port matched plenum and runners, headers.... remember.. what goes in must come out. You can have all intake and a stock exhaust becuase you'll be literally choking your engine. So the best way to take advantage of port and polish is with cams and vice versa. You can say you will only get 10-15 HP from regrinds or any cam if that. It really depends. Then there's the option of degreeing the cams to extract even more power. You can squeeze out even more power by advancing your timing. sprockets are a must for performance cams.
I'm sorry but I can't stand it when people make statements based on assumptions without backing it up with research or facts. It confuses others who are trying to learn. I'm not saying it has happened on this thread.. I'm just saying so period. It's all over this board and I don't have the time and energy to argue about it .. but if anyone has any questions about anything I can easily be emailed or approached. I've been into motorsports for years now starting out with the low rider scene and then getting into the soundoff aspect with IASCA and such.. moving on to the extended amount of time I put into racing and blowing up/rebuilding engines (not just my eclipse.. but all my friends hondas and nissans also) and then moving onto the show scene where I gathered sponsors left and right.
If you truely believe something but aren't entirely sure it's true .. please say so.. don't toss out false/unproven info. ASK. 97RS.. believe me.. I've been trying to get Crower to make billets for about a year straight until I settled for the all customizable 40.00 dollar per cam regrinds. Peace

So who was the guy I sold the Crower cams to? Are you here? anyway.. I remember it's someone from Washington...

sorry but even a regrind that had material welded on so that you can get a larger lobe may perform as well as a billet cam but it will *not* last as well specially on high performance use in engines that will never have their cams swapped more than 1 every 2 or so years.

Its the old story of having a stock crank re-welded so that you can have a stroker kit. It will work, but forget about reliability.

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I would like to see a cam that has material added to it. If they add material, why would you have to shim the lifters to make up for the material that they removed from the base circle to change the specs.

http://www.cranecams.com/master/regrind.htm

I am not trying to be an ass, I thought that it was welded to certain specs until someone told me otherwise here on the board and I measured my regrinds against the stockers and could see that the regrind was smaller, and had NO material welded on.

Oh yeah and Raizin, it was Sam Crawford (Sea97GS) that bought your cams. I haven't seen him on here in a while.

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Contemplating Turbo. . . . .

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Perf:
KYB AGX Struts
Neuspeed Sport Springs
5 Strut Bars (2 F/U, F/L, R/U, R/L)
Sprint Front Camber Kit
$15 Rear Camber Kit
Corbin's A/F Gauge
MSD DIS-2 Ignition System
Some Regrind Cams that need High Compression (which I don't have)
Ported Intake Manifold
Ported Throttle Body
Nameless Cold Air Intake with a K&N Filter
Custom 2 1/2 inch exhaust with Dual DTM Muffler
Empty Catalytic Convertor
Energy Suspension Motor Mount inserts
Hurricane_GS Short Shifter
Symborsky Shift Kit
Clutchmasters Stage 3 Modular
225/50/16inch Wheels and Tires


Audio:
Alpine CD Head Unit
Alpine Flex4 25W X 4 for Fronts and Rears
Alpine V-12 450W X 1 for Subs
Infinity Reference Series 5 1/4 and 1 inch tweeter component systems for fronts and rears
Blaupunkt 3 way 6x9's in the rears
3 MTX 5000 10" 12 ohm subs running 4 ohms mono

Flame Red SRT-4 GT40,8.5:1 Built Shortblock, Brian Crower Stage 2 Cams, etc etc etc...

I got your cams right here baby.... From the information that I've gathered on the track, I picked up 13whp from the regrinds that Raizin had. That's with the standard big 3 mods.

The only unfortunate thing about these cams is that I would have liked to have seen less overlap even all motor. A little more cylinder pressure would have created a lot more power.

If I get a wild hair up my arse, I'll get a set of Fidanza cam gears and retard the exhaust cam about 4 degrees. That should give me enough pressure to make more power.

97 Eclipse GS-15.463@88.57MPH - RIP
92 Talon TSi AWD-12.927@105.47MPH