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Eclipse148celFeb-03-02 06:03 AM
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#493, "An N/A Mustang V6 beating an ECLIPSE?!?!?!?!? HELL NO!"


          

I recently joined this board, and i first read about how this guy couldn't beat a v6 mustang(an automatic at that)!!!!

That's BS!!!

HE said his eclipse was stick, and I've had many run-ins with various v6 mustangs, never lost.... ever(even when odds were against me)!!

This is where my pride for imports comes in! My goal is to be able to beat a z28, or trans am- you choose. I wish to do this without turbo.

EVERYBODY!!! Please tell me your views on mustang/trans am/camaro vs. eclipse!!!

  

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Thunderous_TalonFeb-03-02 06:23 AM
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#494, "RE: An N/A Mustang V6 beating an ECLIPSE?!?!?!?!? HELL NO!"
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w/o turbo you have little to no chance of beating a Trans-Am or z28. as far as the guy who lost to the stang, he miss shifted which could cause a problem... so calm down a bit...

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Eclipse148celFeb-03-02 08:16 AM
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#495, "RE: An N/A Mustang V6 beating an ECLIPSE?!?!?!?!? HELL NO!"
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NOT the kinda info i was lookin for!
listen, it's HARD to lose to an automatic Mustang(v6).
i've had much experience, and that's what i know about that matter.

but on the trans am and z28 issue....

I'll beat one soon enough, probably gonna have to surprise those of you with little faith!

let this be a wake-up call!! I WILL beat a z28(someday)!!!

  

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Thunderous_TalonFeb-03-02 09:05 AM
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#496, "RE: An N/A Mustang V6 beating an ECLIPSE?!?!?!?!? HELL NO!"
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chill out... there've been people here that have already passed through here trying the all motor route. Eric R. incase you havent heard of him. he spent thousands and thousands of dollars on all motor mods and i think at best he was low 15's. he was one of the most knowledgeable people on our cars. its very difficult to get even into the 14's all motor. much less low 13's. if the rev limiter could be removed, them theres more hope, but till then its not likely. if you are considering using n2o then ok it can happen. but otherwise dont get your hopes up. as far as losing to the slushbox stang. he went to 3rd gear at 40mph, that will give ya some problems.

Mike and Kyle both know i am with em on the all motor, i wanted that route as well but both i think know they wont get past low 14's at best.

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Eclipse148celFeb-03-02 09:23 AM
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#497, "RE: An N/A Mustang V6 beating an ECLIPSE?!?!?!?!? HELL NO!"
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woah dude, you're making me out to be some hyper@ss kid that doesn't know anything about racing! Not true!

I do give props to the guys that have already tryed this stuff.

My only ignorance is that i've never run my car at the track, just MANY times in the streets. I almost kept up with a trans am(automatic) a year ago with intake as my first mod. This isn't one of those gay stories kids try to tell to look cool, this really happened!
and i'm basing my car on others on the road(by experience, not time).

I will soon go to a track in Houston(hometown), but for now i seek to do stage 2 type mods(on the homepage).

One short-term goal is to be able to scratch in third! .....someday!

just tryin to clear things up....

  

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ModeratorVX100Feb-03-02 03:56 PM
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#498, "RE: An N/A Mustang V6 beating an ECLIPSE?!?!?!?!? HELL NO!"
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It depends on the mustang.

The V6 mustang, 1994 to 1998 models, had between 150 and 155 hp with a car that weigs in at minimum 3050 lbs for the manual tranny car. Those cars with the auto tranny are slow and can be easily beaten by us.

Now, the 1999 up to 2002 model V6 has 190 hp. That's a big jump in HP. Now, that one with an auto tranny would probably hang even with a stock manual tranny NT eclipse. The mustang might have the slight edge in a longer race, but I'd think the eclipse would have the greater advantage in the 1/8th mile due to better gearing and the potential for the better launch.

(Actually, on a side note, I'd say we should try to always race in the 1/8 mile. If I raced the 1/8th and not the 1/4, I'd win a hell of alot more races>)

The manual tranny 190 HP V6 can't be beat (all else being equal) by our cars stock. The power to weight ratio isn't in our favor. But with some bolt ons I think they are very beatable. I'm sure I could beat a stock manual tranny V6 mustang. I beat an SVT contour (they have more HP and weigh a bit less), I can beat a V6 mustang.

The F-bodies, they are VERY heavy. None of them are lighter than 3300 lbs, not even the manual tranny V6 models. They all have 200 hp (and a shit load of torque, thanks to that good 3800 series 2 V6 engine they have) but the weight hurts them. I'd say we'd have a better chance against them as we would the newer V6 mustangs, but a stock 5 speed V6 F-body vs. a stock 5 speed NT eclipse, I'd give the edge to the F-body, but I'd think the auto tranny version we could take stock (just barely, but we could)

The last V6 mustang I raced against was a 1995 or 96, he stood no chance and I just had a muffler. The last one I saw at the drag strip (it was a while ago, not many show up) ran low 16's. I've hit 15's every time I went racing last year

"Tutto fa brodo."

Todd Scungio
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15.173 @ 90.70 MPH

And also a 2011 Ralliart

  

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bigbrent88Feb-03-02 05:12 PM
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#499, "RE: An N/A Mustang V6 beating an ECLIPSE?!?!?!?!? HELL NO!"
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I'm glad I am not the only one who has faith in an all-motor killing machine. Most people add power and don't decrease weight, if not they add weight. Also I really think that getting our engines into the 9000rpm range would give us that honda power, along with cams. DOn't know, just a hypothesis!

  

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BlackSoCalZFeb-08-02 10:01 PM
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#500, "RE: An N/A Mustang V6 beating an ECLIPSE?!?!?!?!? HELL NO!"
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>NOT the kinda info i was lookin for!
> listen, it's HARD to lose to an automatic Mustang(v6).
>i've had much experience, and that's what i know about that
>matter.
>
>but on the trans am and z28 issue....
>
> I'll beat one soon enough, probably gonna have to
>surprise those of you with little faith!
>
>let this be a wake-up call!! I WILL beat a z28(someday)!!!


Hehe, were waiting Ive seen more then a few fast Eclipses running around, and a few close races with them. Ive yet to lose to one, but thats just a matter of time before it happens. There is always someone faster out there, no matter who makes the car... I learned this lesson first hand when I got my ass handed to me by a 280Z running 26 #s of boost, not a pretty sight for me!

- Ryan


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367.9 RWHP/360.2 RWTQ
http://Ryans2000Z28.freewebspace.com

  

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MrClean125Feb-04-02 04:31 AM
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#501, "RE: An N/A Mustang V6 beating an ECLIPSE?!?!?!?!? HELL NO!"
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I seriously, seriously doubt that you will be able to beat a Z28 or a Trans-Am going the all motor route. An older one, 80's era maybe, but not a new one. I love my car, but i know it's limits. If you spent tons of money like that one company did with that neon, then yes you would be able to. But that neon is a pure drag car with individual TB's, etc. not a daily driver. PLus, it runs in the 7's or 8's i think. Just my 2 cents.

Dave

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Mummer12Feb-04-02 05:51 AM
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#502, "RE: An N/A Mustang V6 beating an ECLIPSE?!?!?!?!? HELL NO!"
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I beat a 2001 Mustang 5 speed in my car but ocassionally they get a good launch in their cars and they pass at like 95mph.

  

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Ryan_HesFeb-04-02 03:14 PM
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#503, "RE: An N/A Mustang V6 beating an ECLIPSE?!?!?!?!? HELL NO!"
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Beating a Z28...without turbo? Right.

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