I've been really thinking about selling the GST to have money to move and go to college. Now, the only way I would do this is if I get a GSX(or maybe GST) down the road, when money flowing in, or just sell it and get the GSX now , or keep the GST and keep modding it.

QUESTIONS/CONCERNS:

Right now traction isn't a huge issue(launches suck though). I've always wondered how much difference(if any) in highway performance between the FWD and AWD there is. Someday I'd wish to have 350-400WHP, I know the GST would dominate most cars on the highway with that, but on the other hand, 1st and 2nd gear wouldn't be much use. My thought is with 350-400HP(don't know about AWHP) with the GSX, the drivetrain loss wouldn't matter, because, well, it's 400HP. What I'm getting at is, somebody race a 400HP GST vs. a 400HP GSX . I'd like you AWD guy's opinions on the drivetrain loss aspect.

There are 2 types of DSMers, those that have awd and those that want AWD.

You will need to make alittle more power then the FWD guy to make up for the difference in gearing and Drivetrain loss.

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Jerrome B.
1995 GSX - Race
1997 GST - Drive
1995 GST - Who the hell knows

I heard as low as 15% and as high as 29%. I can tell you that Martin from AMS did back to back Dyno's with an Evo. On a FWD dyno they made 620whp and on the AWD dyno it made 605whp. That is only a 2.5% difference when he thought it would be a hell of alot more.

Personally, with FWD cars at about the same power level when i had my 16g, i would get slaughtered from a roll. They were 1g FWD vehicles though so you also need to take in account the weight. Traction will not be your enemy if you get LSD and a nice set of slicks. I know a guy on our DSMlink board who took he FWD 2g into the 10s on a t-67 turbo @35psi. He even launches at 6500 rpm...lol.

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Jerrome B.
1995 GSX - Race
1997 GST - Drive
1995 GST - Who the hell knows

my RS feels faster from a roll than my 1g.

there is no comparison from a stop. not even close.

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Matt D.
'06 Evo IX SE
'98 RS-T 13.8 @ 106.1

when do you really ever race on the highway anyways? Highway racing seems to me like it emerged because kids with modded hondas couldn't race from a stop worth shit. Every day I wish I had AWD...now i'm looking at a huge expense to change platforms AGAIN and i'm wondering if its even worth it, or if I should just say "fuck it" and buy something cheap and reliable and a motorcycle.

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Black 98 GST missing her owner and looking for a new one...Inquiries welcome

I have riden in both a high HP FWD and AWD. From a roll they feel very much different, but the AWD is definitely more fun. This dude had about 400 FWHP and in 3rd gear his tires broke loose and the car started veering off to the right. A high HP AWD will not break the tires and will go straight and true, and it is still fast as hell. Go AWD, unless you care about gas mileage. In that case, go with FWD.

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once you get some real power FWD gets annoying on the street and you spin everywhere. Even my slow ass turbo 2gnt had traction problems. Now that I got AWD I love it. Great in all kinda of weather. Might be heavy as crap and not as good as FWD on the highway but I'll just have to make up for that w/ upgraded turbo's!
-Dave

2009 Corolla S - waiting until 2012 for my next toy!
*SOLD* 1992 3000GT VR4 - pearl white and 45,6xx miles!
*SOLD* 2007 Subaru Legacy GT sedan
*SOLD* 95 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 - BPU
*SOLD* 97 Eclipse GS Star Stage 2

Honestly, the way I see it is this. If you are looking for a car that can basically go to the track and click off dumbfounding 1/4 mile times, AWD is 100% the way to go. If you are looking for a car that will kick ass racing on the highway to 120, you are a fucking idiot, and should get arrested for such stupidity.

In all seriousness though. The AWD car NEVER has traction issues. You'll never have to spend $1k+ for an LSD, nor will you ever have to buy sets of tires over and over when you shred the fronts. You'll never have to worry about breaking loose in third nor will you have to give up using 1st or 2nd gear until readline ever again.

If you really are that concerned about what AWD feels like and how it "puts its power down", come to the shootout and watch people go down the track all day Sunday. I think seeing that in person and riding in an AWD car over the weekend will make your mind up for you.

Also, you start having major traction issues around 300 hp on FWD as far as I have heard. 1st gear is useless, as is much of 2nd. And, if it's raining, has rained, is raining somewhere else in the world, or even may rain in the future, you'll have traction problems.

It's running again shitheads.

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Think for yourself. Question authority does not always mean disagree with authority.

If life were perfect, I'd be Calvin and you'd be Hobbes.

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'06 Wicked White EVO IX

My GS-T might be a piece. If I launch ever, I'll do a light one from maybe 2000-3000rpms, more or less on the lighter side. Once I get past 5k and I'm flooring it, it's ALL OVER rubber just burns away. It's like that until I hit 3rd gear and throw down the power.

As for AWD, I rode in a 99 GSX with a good friend of mine. It was his buddy's car and we finished his BOV install. Dead stop, turning right, then going, it's all over. The car is literally glued to the road. Just flat-out GONE!

I may have a GS-T and will never see the times of an AWD Eclipse. But to me, it's not totally the car's capabilities, its that of my own. I spent 5 months working on my GS-T and staring at it while it sat on jack stands. Having never ridden in a turbo car (modified, the volvo doesnt count) and never even driven an Eclipse Turbo (of any year, and drivetrain) I was GLAD when I got my GS-T on the road. Going from a 2GNT to a GS-T was amazing. Note, I also went to Japan and saw amazing Skylines and Supras and came home to 2 non-running Eclipses.

Basically, the choice is yours. It all comes down to who's the better driver. I could race a stock GSX and the tool can't shift, then odds are I'll take him into 3rd gear. If you're going against good racers with AWD, joining the club might not be such a bad idea. But who's to say you can't get ur FWD to the upper limits of physics and make it a really fast car?

I have the job, the money, and the connections to get myself a bone stock 99 GSX for pretty cheap. But I won't be going down that path, me and my GS-T already have a good history going down, and I'm sticking with this car. (even if it means an INSANE awd swap in the future that just might make me go bankrupt, LOL)

-Nick

'95 Copper GS-T "Serena" Stage 3 CM Clutch w/alumin flywheel, Injen Intake, Apex'i I/C pipes + Twin Chamber BOV, Defi D-Series Boost + A/F gauges...pushing 17psi!

I hate FWD......that is all. Nothing gives me more pleasure then launching the car at 6k....and now with a few extra goodies....will be launching at 7k.

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Jerrome B.
1995 GSX - Race
1997 GST - Drive
1995 GST - Who the hell knows

just convert your fwd to awd

Lane Adams

1998 GST Spyder
1995 GSX
1995 TSI AWD

AWD vs. Fwd
WINNER = AWD by far

If i could go back would i have gotten AWD?...yes. Do i regret getting my GST?...Hell NO! I love my car. It pulls great and is in amazing shape inside out.

I think when deciding whether or not to upgrade to AWD, you have to take a few things into consideration.

Personally:
- I never plan to take my car to the track
- I have owned it for 1.5 years and never once launched it
- I dont plan to ever launch it(so i dont need to drop the clutch at 6k)
- I never race from a stop on the street
- If i do race, which hasnt been much, its always from a roll. People always assume this means highway bull shit. No.
- I just enjoy driving the car. Im not really an agressive driver at all, but at times i am spirited. To me, its fun to be driving with traffic, then hit boost, and suddenly just watch as the car next to you seems to go in reverse. I love to drive my car fast because i love the feeling, i dont care about smoking the guy next to me at the light.

Anyway. My point with all this is that it depends on what you want. The only time it would be nice to have AWD is in the rain....BUT even then it doesnt really matter, cuz you shouldnt be driving fast in the rain anyway. Also, i have a evo16g. Its definetly not at its full potential, but according to dsmlink im putting down around 230-250whp(24.7lbs/min), AND i have no traction problems.

EDIT: I just thought about another time i would like to have AWD...THE SNOW!! I dont want people to think im against AWD, because i would definetly love to have AWD. I have driven a AWD dsm and loved it. But to upgrade, it really just depends on your goals imo.

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2003.5 M3
99 M3
99 GST

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-Tony <--- NOT asian.
'06 Wicked White EVO IX

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-Tony <--- NOT asian.
'06 Wicked White EVO IX

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2003.5 M3
99 M3
99 GST

Hook you up? My garage is a kinda used car/new car dealership. I can get any new car at invoice, and any used car from the auctions, or really cheap if it's from a trade in. I guess we recently sold a 99 GSX 5-sp (before I started working there) and it was like, $3000 cost to my garage, LOL. I'd really do it, and seeing GSXs and VR-4s make me get all jealous and angry at my car.

But in the end, it's my car and my mods and my time I put into that make me keep it... Kinda like a girlfriend with small boobs, she might give good head, be great in bed, and have a nice butt, and you mighta been dating her for a long time, but you still can't help yourself when something that looks so much better walks by you... LOL

'95 Copper GS-T "Serena" Stage 3 CM Clutch w/alumin flywheel, Injen Intake, Apex'i I/C pipes + Twin Chamber BOV, Defi D-Series Boost + A/F gauges...pushing 17psi!

You're getting raped man. I went to get my inspection, and the owner was like "you're running rich" and I mumbled about how much my car sucks, how a brand new cat, new spark plugs, and switching to a re-circ'ed BOV shoulda made me pass. Then he asked what I did to get my car on the road, so I listed it out...

Timing Belt
Oil Change
Plugs and Wires
Pads and rotors all around
TPS sensor
Battery
Winshield Wipers
Switching from ebay coil-overs to stock springs
ripping a huge double-deck wing off

At the end of that, he offered me a job, flat-out. Based on the shit I did to my car.

At the shop we have, alginment machine (when I do a 1.5" drop and camber kit), tire machine, lifts, torches, I have full use and access, and get 40% off stock parts, and Mitsu dealer parts I get like 25% off. Let alone brand new cars at inventory prices and used cars for dirt cheap. Free emissions testing, and unlimited support and help by master mechanics that work there. Sound good? Haha, they asked me to join them, not the other way around.

Let me know year, mileage, 5 speed (i hope!), color, and if you're really serious about this, I can make it happen, probably. And if you need parts, I got the discount.

-Nick

'95 Copper GS-T "Serena" Stage 3 CM Clutch w/alumin flywheel, Injen Intake, Apex'i I/C pipes + Twin Chamber BOV, Defi D-Series Boost + A/F gauges...pushing 17psi!

I can't believe this even went three pages..lmao

I've seen FWD's brake traction at part throttle with high power. Just get an AWD, you will not regret it.

Think about it this way.

You always see posts from FWD guys asking about going AWD or saying they traded for an AWD, but you never see AWD guys posting about how they are sick of AWD and want a FWD.

Originally posted by L2RTSiAWD
I can't believe this even went three pages..lmao I've seen FWD's brake traction at part throttle with high power. Just get an AWD, you will not regret it. Think about it this way. You always see posts from FWD guys asking about going AWD or saying they traded for an AWD, but you never see AWD guys posting about how they are sick of AWD and want a FWD.

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Originally posted by slowmitsu

Originally posted by FlyinEsi

Originally posted by L2RTSiAWD I can't believe this even went three pages..lmao I've seen FWD's brake traction at part throttle with high power. Just get an AWD, you will not regret it. Think about it this way. You always see posts from FWD guys asking about going AWD or saying they traded for an AWD, but you never see AWD guys posting about how they are sick of AWD and want a FWD.

No, but there have been plenty of threads about making an AWD into RWD. I would love to do this.

Unless it involves rotating the motor I would want no part in this, but that's just my honest opinion.

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2009 Corolla S - waiting until 2012 for my next toy!
*SOLD* 1992 3000GT VR4 - pearl white and 45,6xx miles!
*SOLD* 2007 Subaru Legacy GT sedan
*SOLD* 95 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 - BPU
*SOLD* 97 Eclipse GS Star Stage 2

2009 Corolla S - waiting until 2012 for my next toy!
*SOLD* 1992 3000GT VR4 - pearl white and 45,6xx miles!
*SOLD* 2007 Subaru Legacy GT sedan
*SOLD* 95 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 - BPU
*SOLD* 97 Eclipse GS Star Stage 2

'95 Copper GS-T "Serena" Stage 3 CM Clutch w/alumin flywheel, Injen Intake, Apex'i I/C pipes + Twin Chamber BOV, Defi D-Series Boost + A/F gauges...pushing 17psi!

a conquest's drivetrain layout is much different than that of a 2g dsm. but mabye you knew this.

Lane Adams

1998 GST Spyder
1995 GSX
1995 TSI AWD

Originally posted by 420a-Tnthewerks

Originally posted by theallpowerfulme a conquest's drivetrain layout is much different than that of a 2g dsm. but mabye you knew this.

It's all bolted to the same 4g63 . I'm pretty sure they used the same parts on their first 91 Talon. Don't know about the '98.

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-Tony <--- NOT asian.
'06 Wicked White EVO IX

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-Tony <--- NOT asian.
'06 Wicked White EVO IX