alright, i want an eclipse. I cant really drive 5spd that good, but i want a manual. You get more control over the car, and more speed. I dont have much money right now, im still in school and working part time, but i heard that eclipses are cheaper in the winter. basically i wanna know if its easy to learn 5spd, and if eclipses are really cheaper in the winter time.
-Samm

-Samm

Probably because a lot of people don't want their little sports cars in the winter anymore. But, if you still want a GSX, which I would suggest over a GST, then they usually go up a little in the winter because of AWD. Anybody can take you out and teach you to drive stick. Don't worry about it. After about 20 minutes in traffic you'll have it all figured out.

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I didn't learn to drive 5 Speed until I brought my GS. I learned how to drive it as I drove it home....lol.

As fas as being cheaper, get a TSI AWD Talon. You will save hella coin if price is a concern. Personally, I would shoot for a 95 DSM if I were you.

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Jerrome B.
1995 GSX - Race
1997 GST - Drive
1995 GST - Who the hell knows

yeah--and if money is an issue go with a first gen GSX...

not knowing how to drive a manual is no excuse not to get one

You'll ONLY learn if you own one and drive it every day, otherwise you'll just kinda "know" how to do it well enough to fuck up someone else's car if you borrow it. I can't tell you how many people say to me "nah man, its cool, I can drive stick". Not if you don't own one, you can't...

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Black 98 GST missing her owner and looking for a new one...Inquiries welcome

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-Tony <--- NOT asian.
'06 Wicked White EVO IX

Originally posted by eclipzGST

Originally posted by DSMxCutie i want a manual. You get more control over the car, and more speed.

You also have the chance to misshift, smoke clutches, loose boost between shifts and break drivetrain parts launching... How exactly does any of that make you faster??

'95 GSX - Big16G ~ Leaks, but atleast it runs.

hay, thats what NHH223(nick) taught. i go by what he taught me. but im not saying it from experiance lol. i know its more control though. On my bday me and nick were comming out of the bank, and would have gotten hit if he hadnt shifted and stuff. but i do want to know 5 speed, even if its not wikked fast

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-Tony <--- NOT asian.
'06 Wicked White EVO IX

I can't quite contemplate how shifting...and stuff...ever helped me get control of a vehicle, compared to either using the steering, braking, or accelerating. Never shifting... Learn new stuff every day.

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I have no idea what she just said.......

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Jerrome B.
1995 GSX - Race
1997 GST - Drive
1995 GST - Who the hell knows

If this was coming from a guy you guys would be ripping his ass.

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2005 GTO - 10.88 @ 127.94
2004 Flame Red SRT-4 - Stock turbo : 12.5 @ 110 -Traded 7/16/08
1995 Eclipse GS - Project Return to Daily Driver has begun!

Here's the story to clearify things...

We pulled out of the bank taking a left turn. A guy In front of us, to our right was also taking a left onto the road we just turned on. He didn't see me, and went, almost into my passenger door. I was upshifting, hit 2nd, slammed on the brakes, down shifted back into 1st, and threw down rubber and all hell and dodged into the left lane, swerved around him, and we were on our way.

She may be confused about a few things. Engine braking during bad weather is better than normal braking. Manually shifting IS more control over acceleration and handling comes hand in hand with whatever RPMs you might be at.

I'm not the most confused person on the forums. I'm getting rid of my GS-T cuz I just got a 91 VR-4, so HAH!

'95 Copper GS-T "Serena" Stage 3 CM Clutch w/alumin flywheel, Injen Intake, Apex'i I/C pipes + Twin Chamber BOV, Defi D-Series Boost + A/F gauges...pushing 17psi!

thank you nick.

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-Tony <--- NOT asian.
'06 Wicked White EVO IX

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-Tony <--- NOT asian.
'06 Wicked White EVO IX

You have a lack of control at lower RPMs, am I wrong about this? Dump your car into 5th gear at 30mph and tell me you feel like you got more control.

'95 Copper GS-T "Serena" Stage 3 CM Clutch w/alumin flywheel, Injen Intake, Apex'i I/C pipes + Twin Chamber BOV, Defi D-Series Boost + A/F gauges...pushing 17psi!

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Sometimes the ability to have more power in a lower gear, gives you in a way, more control over whats going on... Taking that corner in 2nd is gonna be more fun, yes, but the idea of hitting the apex and powering out of the turn in 2nd as opposed to a higher gear at a lower RPM will give you the sense of a lack of control. You guys get me? Staying in the upper RPMs where there is more available power, will give you the necessary control over speed, which in turn, will give you more control over whats going on. Maybe I'm wrong about this, but there has to be an explanation why the hell I shifted back into 1st, swerved to the left, and then romped my way out of almost being hit. I didnt almost cause an accident, the guy was headed for me, BLIND. Either way we didnt die, my car is fine, and yeah I downshifted to get the hell out of there!

'95 Copper GS-T "Serena" Stage 3 CM Clutch w/alumin flywheel, Injen Intake, Apex'i I/C pipes + Twin Chamber BOV, Defi D-Series Boost + A/F gauges...pushing 17psi!

So anyway, I'm going to elaborate on one of your "examples". Lets line up on the highway at a 30mph roll. Put you car in 5th gear and I'll put mine in OD. We'll both romp on it and see what happens. Get my drift? Having a 5 speed gives you "control" over something you don't necessarily need control over.
In your close call scenerio, you had to downshift into first to get out of the other guys way (who was actually in front of you ) How was that any better than just flooring it and letting the car downshift itself? Can you downshift faster than an ATX can shift itself? I guess you've never been in a car that has a shift kit... (which I might add is an $85 part as opposed to an aftermarket clutch, which goes for how much these days?)
Keep on posting whatever you want, I'll keep rebutting with factual info. I've been at this for a long time.

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-Tony <--- NOT asian.
'06 Wicked White EVO IX

the guy was comming from our right, and what i meant by "control" is we got out of there quicker because nick controlled the shifting, as if in an automatic, the car would have done it its self, and not even of known what the frig was going on.. ya get what im saying.

anyways, is it that hard to learn 5speed, or should i just get an auto?

Reading Nick's responses to this is like watching a retard try to hump a door knob.

I think you'd be better off with an auto.

Jason
'11 Ford Mustang GT/CS
'11 Ford Mustang V6 6-Speed (SOLD)
'04 Nissan 350z Touring (SOLD)
'95 Turbo Eclipse GS (SOLD and will be missed)
'90 Talon TSi AWD (SOLD)

Originally posted by sonikbewm
Reading Nick's responses to this is like watching a retard try to hump a door knob. I think you'd be better off with an auto.

DSM= Doesn't Start Monthly

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1997 Mitsubishi Eclipse Spyder GS-T
1995 Eagle Talon Esi
1990 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
1991 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
1991 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX

Any convertable becomes cheap in the winter, unless its a garaged Corvette or something that a rich dude has. Then the price won't drop at all.

'95 Copper GS-T "Serena" Stage 3 CM Clutch w/alumin flywheel, Injen Intake, Apex'i I/C pipes + Twin Chamber BOV, Defi D-Series Boost + A/F gauges...pushing 17psi!

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1997 Mitsubishi Eclipse Spyder GS-T
1995 Eagle Talon Esi
1990 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
1991 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
1991 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX

I now nominate you to be the poster child of why people shouldn't do drugs.

Jason
'11 Ford Mustang GT/CS
'11 Ford Mustang V6 6-Speed (SOLD)
'04 Nissan 350z Touring (SOLD)
'95 Turbo Eclipse GS (SOLD and will be missed)
'90 Talon TSi AWD (SOLD)

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1997 Mitsubishi Eclipse Spyder GS-T
1995 Eagle Talon Esi
1990 Eagle Talon TSi AWD
1991 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX
1991 Mitsubishi Eclipse GSX

Tony, it's good to see you champion the ATX, but really, there's just something about having the wheels directly connected to the engine without some fluid having to move a convertor that I like. ATX feels slushy and sloppy most of the time. Sure, I would love to have one when I'm sitting in rolling gridlock for an hour on my way home from work, but otherwise, I'll just stick with the T350 and call it good. I'll never buy another ATX car - ever. Sorry.

I just want everyone to understand that I'm not saying an ATX is better. I'm just saying that it's not bad...
Yes, there good and bad things about both depending what you are doing with the car. If you're going to roadrace or auto-X, yes you NEED a stick. If you're just going to just be driving the car around and maybe a race here and there on the street (if thats what she'll be doing), it doesn't really matter. The point is, Nick told her that 5 speeds are "better" and "you have more control over the car". For a street drivin car, thats just plain false...
Also, has anyone noticed that alot new cars (even the performance cars) have clutchless manual trasmissions. They are basically ATX's with more gears.

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-Tony <--- NOT asian.
'06 Wicked White EVO IX

you will learn just get a manual.