Well lately I have been researching the beloved 2.4 swap, and finding all sorts of great information all around this site. But I have noticed, there is really not a single condensed thread or writeup with all the information needed to perform this swap. I keep reading that every person has a different way of doing it, and each way works, depending on the parts people use. So I figured we could try to get everyone that has done it so far give fairly detailed explanations of all that went into this swap to help all people that are currently planning on the 2.4 swap or people who will do it in the future.

So far I have found this(correct me if I'm wrong):

- Block from Cloud cars: Stratus, Cirrus, Sebring,(years?)
- Remove balance shafts, plug oil holes
- Rotate cam sensor 90*(advanced or retard?)
- rewire the injectors moving 1-2, 2-3, 3-4, and 4-1.
- must swap wires 1 and 3 running to coil.
- modified pt cruiser p/s bracket
- custom passanger side motor mount
- Moddified Oil Pan (2001 Dodge Stratus oil pan works well?)
- custom downpipe
- Time head like 2.0
- Can use SRT4 pistons and rods for a boost capable engine

I'm still unclear on:

- Which oil pump and what modifications are needed?
- What cooling modifications are needed
- What turbo8u is saying half the time(dank? )

I hope this thread will grab the attention of the swappers and help all future swappers and make attaining information on it easier. Thanks in advance

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

Turby and I did it pretty differently. I used a modified PT bracket and a 2.0L PS pump, i think he uses some Stratus parts and a 2.0L bracket & pump. Because I used a PT bracket, there's no pivot to the pump, meaning I had to buy an SRT4 AC compressor bracket because that's where the tensioner bolts, and then use an SRT4 accessory belt tensioner (slightly modified).

The type of oil pump you go with dictates the pan you need. I used an SRT4 oil pump (thicker rotors, more capacity) which necessitated using an SRT4 oilpan. A Stratus pump can use any of the stamped steel or cast aluminum pans with no oil passages, but you'll have trouble getting the motor in with the passsenger axle in place.

other than that, looks about right. If you use a MS for fuel and spark, you can leave the cam magnet and injector order alone.

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getty up

-kent-




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this page can answer just about all of your questions, gsgoinfast

http://aseclub.net/invision/index.php?showtopic=67755

plus it has pics. I am not sure if you have seen it already.

1995 Eagle Talon ESi

-Chris
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1995 Eagle Talon ESi

-Chris
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2.4 Project is Officially underway

That blue car got me boobies once

I got all my SRT parts from chryslerpartsdirect.com. Search on 2004 Dodge Neon. Anything that is listed as "Neon 2.4L" is SRT4.

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how about a centermember made out of DOM so you wont have to notch the pan at all to get the exhaust to clear. this way, you could have more oil in the pan. real easy.

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96 Black ESi
91 Red TSI AWD (RIP)
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2.4 Project is Officially underway

one of the 2.4 true pionners

Originally posted by alain95i4
2.4 pistons exist in 2 versions 1g=first generation from 1995 up to 2000 they pretty much look the same as our 2.0 pistons with a dome and 4 valve relief pockets 2g pistons are the pistons from the second generation 2.4 engine they were introduced in the PT Cruiser engine they are directional pistons a stronger version of those pistons are in the srt-4 engine srt-4 pistons now look at them you could see that the slope is not even and the longer/flatter side is the intake side of the pistons the 2.4 use a neon style head , so as-is those pistons won't work properly with our 420a front exhaust head you have 2 choice 1 like I said if you have stock NON TURBO 2.4 pistons you could just unbolt the rod from the crank flip the whole assemble 180 degres and bolt back the rod the piston will now face our side of the intake which is the rear of the engine 2 if you have TURBO pistons you can't just do that, because the rod is also directional ! 2.4 turbo and older 2.5 turbo rods side by side look at the base of the rod, you could see what looks like a bump with a tiny hole, this is the oil squirting hole of the rod which push oil from the crank up to the under skirt of the piston to help cooling them, there's a channel inside the rod and flipping the rod will make oil trying to works against rotation force and that's not good the solution is easy since the TURBO piston is a floating pin design you just unlock the piston from the rod, flip the piston 180 degres and lock it back that way both the pistons AND the rods will have the right orienation for our cars about oil pan No one fit properly for a downpipe 2g stratus pan are easy to work with but they need to be tig welded some pans in the 90 were made with stamped steel they could be mig welded for a cheaper cost oil pan works cost more than the custom engine mount Alain

-Chris
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2.4 Project is Officially underway

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2.4 Project is Officially underway

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2.4 Project is Officially underway

8000 km so far with bacward piston
engine run very nice

Alain

one of the 2.4 true pionners

heres mine! this was taken last year. Ive done some changes since then. Crane cams and cam gears, Srt valve cover, Srt pass. side mount bracket. im now working on a 3 inch downpipe. Enjoy!

Originally posted by onebaddsm98
heres mine! this was taken last year. Ive done some changes since then. Crane cams and cam gears, Srt valve cover, Srt pass. side mount bracket. im now working on a 3 inch downpipe. Enjoy!

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

What internals are you running?

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

Just for the record...

Alain, you can MIG weld aluminum. It's called a spool gun.

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one of the 2.4 true pionners

yeah Alain your right! Im using the SRT internals. This swap isnt that hard. If u look at some of the Honda guys, and see the swaps that they do, or even the volkwagen guys too. I mean all it is, is half dozen wires that get rearanged and a motor mount. Ive seen honda guys put K20's in EF civics, or volkswagen guys put those new 2 liter turbo GTI motors in an old ass MK1 golf. so if u look at what we have to do its relatively easy. At least thats the way I look at it.

So is anyone having any problems with hood clearence at all? I believe I read the engine sits 1" higher, any problems with the engine or turbo hitting the hood?

Thanks for all the info guys, I'm pretty confident I can do this now.

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


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95 Talon ESi-T

Mine's fine. the TiAL hits the hood and has dimpled it, but that's solvable by using a different wastegate, or an internally gated turbo.

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Well I purchased a 2.4 block a couple days ago for a great price. I got basically a short block for $85. I'm not sure if he is throwing in the oil pump or not, but I was looking on chryslerpartsdirect.com and the 98 stratus 2.4L oil pump is over $500?? That can't be right is it? Why is it so high? What other oil pumps besides the stratus and srt4 can be used? Thanks

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

1g (95-2000)2.4 parts are as costly , if not even more, as our 2.0 parts while 2g (2001-+) 2.4 parts are considered bargain price

check for a 2001-+ oil pump it will probably cost less and it's a better one , the 98 has the oil filter 90 degres from the engine and it's a good choice for a swap in our cars

Alain

one of the 2.4 true pionners

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

the only pump to be concerned with is the SRT-4 pump and the turbo Pt Cruiser pump. those 2 require their respective pan due to the oil ports in the pan itself.

Terry

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

I was looking on chryslerpartsdirect.com and I found the pistons through the search($61-damn good price) but the rods were not listed. Where can those be picked up?

That blue car got me boobies once

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

That blue car got me boobies once

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

They're still cast pistons, but with a steel reinforced upper ring land. A forged piston is still better.

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2.4 Project is Officially underway

That blue car got me boobies once

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

That blue car got me boobies once

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

i plan on using the srt rod piston combo on my next 2.4, i'd have the domes of the pistons ceramic coated, should be able to get that done at a reasonable cost.

That blue car got me boobies once

I have a stock PT Cruiser 2.4 block for sale if anyone's interested. pick up only NY. check the sales section.

General question:


On the chrysler parts direct site, can the pistons be ordered in oversize?

That blue car got me boobies once

one of the 2.4 true pionners

Keep us updated on that, will ya? Be sure to add anything to this thread about fabbing parts etc.


all of my info/pics ( & drama!! ) from the first block are in the advanced section thread. don't run stock injectors with the 2.4 block!! i was convinced by another member, who shall remain nameless at this time, that the stock injectors will supply enough fuel to run the swap n/a. HELL MUTHAFUCKIN NO!! i thought at first that the oil suction tube was mashed against the bottom of the oil pan but that was not the case. i ran the bitch lean and the piston separated at the wrist pin. no fun. lesson learned. round two!! pm me with any questions. laaaate

That blue car got me boobies once

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

hmmm. megasquirt does sound like a good idea and the price cant be beat. Maybe I will look into that. If all goes well, I'll start shopping for a block first and worry about an engine management system later on down the road, which is why I needed some info on the injector harness rewire. Also, if you want to post pics you can. One thing that you could do that would be pretty neat is when you pull your 2.0, put the two shortblocks side by side and snap some comparison shots.

That blue car got me boobies once

I'm currently running accel #24 injectors with the stock fuel pressure I saw a 200-250 EGT drop whenj I switched from stock 2.0 injectors to those ones

Alain

one of the 2.4 true pionners

That blue car got me boobies once

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

rewiring is easy to do on our cars

at the fuel rail you have a big connector which connect the 4 injectors to the main harness

you have 5 wires 1 is the common incomming 12v the 4 others are the injectors driver
near the big plug cut the 4 wires and soldered them back with heat shrink
carefull you have to see it from the computer point of view because you could do a mistake and do 1 on 4 , 4 on 3 etc

so wire from computer channel 1 soldered to wire going to injector 2
wire from computer channel 2 soldered to wire going to injector 3
wire from computer channel 3 soldered to wire going to injector 4
wire from computer channel 4 soldered to wire going to injector 1

recap of why we have to do this
2.0 either 420a or neon are timmed on cylinder 1
2.4 have balancing shaft because of that they put the crank sensor on cylinder 2 the cam sensor have the magnet at a different angle and the 2.4 computer knows all that but US we need to make our computer think that cylinder 2 is cylinder 1 for fire and fuel
1/2 turn of crank = 1/4 turn of cam
so if the crank is 180 off we turn the cam sensor magnet 90 degres off clockwise and they are now in sync
the computer is happy and want to send fuel and fire on cylinder 1 and 4 but we need to send that to cylinder 2 and 3
that the job of the injector and coil pack rewiring

Alain

one of the 2.4 true pionners

Thank you for that info. That was a little easier to understand than some of the threads posted in the past. Alain, how long did it take you to do your swap? More specifically, from start to finish.

That blue car got me boobies once

Where does the oil dipstick come out? In the pics in the advanced section it comes right up through the middle of the header. That just doesnt seem right to me.

That blue car got me boobies once

it's a 2.4 dip stick and I played with the orientation of the tube

my cas was down for 7 weeks
I worked 1 week full time and 5 weekend , I took 1 weekend off of the project

I was not only swapping the engine but I was also swapping the transmission from a stock atx 1995 to a atx pt cruiser turbo 2003
I needed to investigate how to rewire the transmission to make it work I was also rebuilding the front suspension and I had a torn boot on one axel

just swapping the engine could be done in 3 days I think
1 day taking the 420a out
1 day prepping the engine bay and to finish the 2.4 with parts from the pulled 420a
1 day to put the 2.4 in the hole

Alain

one of the 2.4 true pionners

I used a 2.0L dipstick tube and modified the 2.4L stick. Mine comes out slightly lower than the factory location due to the added block height.

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Fantastic. This is good info guys and if I need to modify a 2.0L dipstick tube I have one sitting at home. It was a good idea to centralize the 2.4 swap info. Ill try to think of more questions to ask later.

That blue car got me boobies once

Well a little update, I got good news. I took my crank to a machine shop, and they said it only needs a polish, not a regrind, and can still use standard bearings. saves me a few bucks. Also, I found a complete(and by complete I mean still has the front suspension and the front and rear motor mounts and cross beams, along with transmission) 2.4 engine sitting in the back of one of our shops. So I can take that apart and it will definitly help me sort out my bolts and know exactly what part goes where(since my engine came in piles of parts).

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

That blue car got me boobies once

Well, I admit, I've been watching this thread pretty closely, and I'm considering doing the swap as well.

As always, a few questions:

1.Nobody has mentioned anything about trannies. I'm assuming that an NV-T350 will bolt right up?
2. Can I use an SRT-4 clutch?
3. I have MS and am planning on upgrading to MSnS. Does it mess with MS at all having the pick up on Cylinder #2? Like if I get my motor running with MSnS on my 2.0, will it not work at all with the 2.4? I understand that I will have to tune it again, but will the whole thing have to be redone? Also, do I still wire the batches as 1+4 and 2+3?
4. What did you find for a cheaper alternative for the oil pump, instead of the 500 dollar pump? What pan would be associated with that pump?
5. (wussy question) Has anyone maintained A/C with this swap?


That's all I can think of for now, thanks guys,
Brian

Red 97 Eclipse GS (420a) MTX
Custom Garrett T3 Turbo system
Megasquirt w/52 lb/hr injectors & a Walbro 255
Kicker/Alpine Audio (3 amps, 2 subs)
90 Cav 2.2 TBI auto (winter) <- yeah, it's fast

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

i'm working on putting back my AC
I already have the srt-4 ac bracket and 1 srt-4 ac compressor
the compressor is bolton on the bracket or course ... but ... read on

srt-4 compressor are made by Denso, same shit as our cars but they don't the same shape and bolt pattern
our cars are using a belt with 4 ribs
srt-4 are using a belt with 3 ribs
I took off the clutch/pulley assy from both compressor and did an hybrid srt-4 compressor with 420a pulley

oups ...
found out too late the 420a pulley has an offset which the srt-4 compressor doesn't have the pulley is now at the wrong place for an alignment with the crank and power steering pulleys

and second oups the 420a pulley is larger in diameter and now it's almost touching the srt-4 belt tensionner there's not enought space left for a belt

so comming up somewhere this spring/early summer I'll make an adaptor plate which will go between the bracket and the compressor with that plate I will have the chance to silde the compressor up and down and right to left for the perfect fitting

as for using MS you will not have to play with the cam sensor magnet since MS is not using it at all, you don't have to swap your injectors , you still need to batch fuel and fire on 1-4, 2-3 pairing, and you may have to swap coil pack wire depending of your spark setup , either at the coil pack or right at the MS

nvt-350 will bolt right on and the a604 too of course

as for using the srt-4 clutch I don't know
I will bolt on the engine, but it was made for a nvt-850, a newer tranny , I have never heard so far of someone using one on a 420a/nvt-350 combo so ????

Alain

one of the 2.4 true pionners

I got a quick question that I really need to know by today so any help would be appreciated. What is the difference between the Cirrus rod bearings and the SRT-4 rod bearings? Do I need to use the SRT-4 bearings with the srt-4 rods? Because I noticed that the SRT-4 bearings are $2 more expensive. Are they better? The guy at the machine shop is ordering the main bearings and was gonna order the rod bearings but I told him to hold off until I found out if I needed the SRT4 ones. Thanks for the help

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

Great guys, thanks for the info. I have to know the wiring stuff, cuz here in NY, you can't have a CEL if you wanna pass inspection. As long as I can fool the computer enough, I'll be fine.

My friend told me about a guy who takes an SRT-4 clutch and modifies it so it will work with an NV-T350. I can talk to him and report back. He does some type of machining so it will work.


Brian


PS. I'm sorry for my dumbness. I tried reading the timing setup a bunch of times, but I'm still a bit confused. Help me if you could please.

Basically, you take a set of cam gears which have two sides, 2.0 and 2.4. You transfer the timing marks from the 2.0 side to the 2.4 side. You then install with the 2.4 side facing out and use those NEW timing marks to time the motor? Am I correct?

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Kicker/Alpine Audio (3 amps, 2 subs)
90 Cav 2.2 TBI auto (winter) <- yeah, it's fast

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Gotcha. That makes sense. Thanks for the help


Brian

PS. Are you guys at all concerned about the input shaft of the tranny? Looking over at neons.org, a guy was talking about a friend of his who did the swap and twisted 3 input shafts off at the same spot. I know a friend who talked about this happening with turbododges as well. Anybody have information regarding this?

Red 97 Eclipse GS (420a) MTX
Custom Garrett T3 Turbo system
Megasquirt w/52 lb/hr injectors & a Walbro 255
Kicker/Alpine Audio (3 amps, 2 subs)
90 Cav 2.2 TBI auto (winter) <- yeah, it's fast

with srt-4 rods you NEED to use the srt-4 rod bearings
they have a hole made for the oil squirting feature of the rod which a normal bearing doesn't have

Alain

one of the 2.4 true pionners

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

Just as a followup. You CAN use an SRT4 clutch, but it must be milled/lathed down in order to fit in the T350 tranny. A local guy here in Rochester did a 2.4T swap with MSnS in his Neon and that's what he did. There's a guy on neons.org named JeffB that'll lathe it down for 100 bucks including shipping. You also need a SRT4 throwout bearing as well which is about 40 bucks. The clutch itself is about 250 bucks, so all in all, it's a good deal. Just in case people are wondering.

He also said not to worry about the T350 holding the torque. There are several guys over on .org that are running quite a bit of power through these trannies including a guy named dmarino who's putting 300+ hp and 300+ tq through it with no problems. There's this post on .org that got me concerned. What do you guys think?

http://forums.neons.org/viewtopic.php?t=252583

I do admit though, I can't find many more topics of twisting the shaft off, although like I said in my post a few up, I know turbododge guys who are making LOTS of torque have twisted the shaft off....but in fairness, I don't know what tranny that was. I'll have to talk to my buddy about that.

That's it for now,
Brian

Red 97 Eclipse GS (420a) MTX
Custom Garrett T3 Turbo system
Megasquirt w/52 lb/hr injectors & a Walbro 255
Kicker/Alpine Audio (3 amps, 2 subs)
90 Cav 2.2 TBI auto (winter) <- yeah, it's fast

Well, I got bad news. I just found out that the previous owner of the block went to town with the ridge reamer, and fucked it up pretty good. Were gonna hone it out tomarrow, but most likely gonna have to get it bored, which means the SRT-4 pistons I ordered this morning will not fit, and they don't make oversized pistons which means I have to get aftermarket forged, which will set me back a good $500. Wonderful. I'm gonna stop by the machine shop today to make sure I can't get oversized oem pistons, and if I cant, I guess I'm gonna just use the forged srt-4 rods, sell the pistons, and get some forged pistons whenever I get the money.

EDIT: Alain, is that picture of the piston taken at TDC? Does the NA 2.4 piston come up higher then the SRT-4 piston?

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

that pic was from Bob Stockum dead website
http://www.bstockum.com/turboblock.html

yes it's at tdc

and since your block is bad why don't you just keep it for parts and get a better one it's still gonna be cheaper than buying forged pistons which may or may not fit on the srt-4 rod

Alain

one of the 2.4 true pionners

Originally posted by alain95i4
that pic was from Bob Stockum dead website http://www.bstockum.com/turboblock.html yes it's at tdc and since your block is bad why don't you just keep it for parts and get a better one it's still gonna be cheaper than buying forged pistons which may or may not fit on the srt-4 rod Alain

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

Hey guys, something else I came across looking through the old posts. Some people were saying that a windage tray is necessary because the balance shafts that once previously acted as a windage were removed. Is this true? If so, it should be included in this thread, and also how does one go about making one of these?


Brian

Red 97 Eclipse GS (420a) MTX
Custom Garrett T3 Turbo system
Megasquirt w/52 lb/hr injectors & a Walbro 255
Kicker/Alpine Audio (3 amps, 2 subs)
90 Cav 2.2 TBI auto (winter) <- yeah, it's fast

That blue car got me boobies once

the balance shaft are in a big housing and they sit inside the pan
the housing also act a little like a oil baffle
it's true mostly for neon swap to put something there because the result is like an 7 quart pan , most of the neon guys just cut the chain and leave the housing in there

but us we need to remove the housing completely so we could cut the pan and make it smaller to have space for the downpipe the result is a 4-6 quarts pan depending how much you remove

I made a baffle for the deep section of my pan it's crude but it works
it's holding in place bolted to 2 of the 4 bolt holes of the balancing shaft housing







Alain

one of the 2.4 true pionners

haha nice. You've got quite a few tricks up your sleeve.

That blue car got me boobies once

-Chris
1999 Eclipse T-GS


2.4 Project is Officially underway

Thank you Alain, that's what I was referring too. How much space would you estimate is between your baffle and the crank throws?

Also, just as a clarification: AFTER you have turned the pistons around 180, what orientation do they have when they're installed in the piston? To make it easier, if you look at the picture waaaay up there, there's a dot on the right side of the piston. Is that side of the piston facing the intake or exhaust side?


Thanks for all your help guys, this is definately something I'm going to do.


Brian

Red 97 Eclipse GS (420a) MTX
Custom Garrett T3 Turbo system
Megasquirt w/52 lb/hr injectors & a Walbro 255
Kicker/Alpine Audio (3 amps, 2 subs)
90 Cav 2.2 TBI auto (winter) <- yeah, it's fast

on the piston the dot side with the flat spot is the intake side
on that pic the piston is on the right orientation for a REAR exhaust head, actually that pic was taken with a stock 2.04 turbo block

in our cars the flat spot has to face the rear side of the engine

I don't remember the exact distance between my baffle and the crank but it was at least 2 inch
the baffle was welded on the 2 metal poles to stay at the same height as the reworked side of my custom oil pan I have around 1/2 inch of clearance between the baffle sides and the oil pan walls

the holes on the baffle were made tappered to make the oil flow easier from crank to bottom of the pan

Alain

one of the 2.4 true pionners

Yet again, thanks so much. Points to you.


I was thinking about the cam magnet having to be reoriented. Now, since I'm going to be running MSnS, I won't need to rotate the magnet to get the car to RUN, but won't it throw a CEL since the cam and crank will be out of sync? I have to avoid CEL's, so I was thinking about moving it to keep the computer happy.

Good thoughts? Or, am I missing something?

Brian

Red 97 Eclipse GS (420a) MTX
Custom Garrett T3 Turbo system
Megasquirt w/52 lb/hr injectors & a Walbro 255
Kicker/Alpine Audio (3 amps, 2 subs)
90 Cav 2.2 TBI auto (winter) <- yeah, it's fast