So, it looks like the GT Cruiser (2.4L turbo, 220 hp, 245 lb-ft) is available with an automatic/auto-stick. I wonder if this is an A604 variant tranny. I suppose that it is pretty beefy to be mated to the 2.4L turbo HO engine. I wonder if we could steal some parts off of it to make our A604 more reliable and hold more power. Perhaps it will have an LSD option at some point that we could buy. Anyone know details?
Corbin
'95 ESI-T HRC+FMIC+ETC...
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#1982, "RE: Steal parts from a GT Cruiser?" In response to Reply # 0
>So, it looks like the GT Cruiser (2.4L turbo, 220 hp, 245 >lb-ft) is available with an automatic/auto-stick. I wonder if >this is an A604 variant tranny. I suppose that it is pretty >beefy to be mated to the 2.4L turbo HO engine. I wonder if we >could steal some parts off of it to make our A604 more >reliable and hold more power.
What are your main concerns with our specific production of the A604? Everything is readily available to "make our A604 more reliable and hold more power." Simply a cooler and revision kit are enough to make it more reliable. We have the Transgo Shiftkit, Level-10 Valvebody, High-stall Torque Converters, many LSDs, and little things like the lockup kill switch to help us increase performance... and I'm still working on increasing our rev-limiter.
#1983, "RE: Steal parts from a GT Cruiser?" In response to Reply # 2 Sep-24-03 08:01 PM by soulcontroller
level 10 valve body? what are the gains/results of it? the shift kit modifies the valve body, springs, seals, shifts... is the level 10 similar but pre-assembled?
with your aformentioned mods doug, my tranny has held up to all my abuse... so far hehe.
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#1986, "RE: Steal parts from a GT Cruiser?" In response to Reply # 3
Hey Matt- have you put it those 400cc injectors and upped the boost yet? What else have you done to the tranny since I talked to you last? I keep telling everyone on here that we have a great auto tranny if you put about 300 dollars into it you're good for up to 400wHP or so... but nobody seems to understand that.
#1987, "RE: Steal parts from a GT Cruiser?" In response to Reply # 5
As far as I know, there is no legit LSD for our tranny (I don't count the PG or copies). I was figuring that there might be some parts we could steal off of the new setup. If it is the A604, then it is probably the latest itteration and set up to handle decent power.
But Doug, are you saying that you think our tranny could hold 400 hp with $300? Like a shift kit, cooler, and a couple random parts. I was under the impression that I would have to buy a spare tranny and get it completely rebuilt with high performance clutches, updated solenoids, clips, etc for it to hold that power. I am dying to swap in a new engine and up the boost, but if I have to add a spare tranny and full performance rebuild to the list, that pushes my plans back further.
Corbin
'95 ESI-T HRC+FMIC+ETC...
Gimme fuel...Gimme fire...Gimme that which I desire
#1988, "RE: Steal parts from a GT Cruiser?" In response to Reply # 6 Sep-25-03 05:21 AM by soulcontroller
well, i have just the normal stuff done. shift kit, cooler, drive gear swap, lockup switch, have an in-line filter sittin in my room, and i need to get a temp gauge.
ive got my spare block sittin in my garage along with my 3000 stall tq converter, still waitin on a few things to be able to assemble everything. and jack up the boost.
my tranny has taken a ton of abuse, pretty much the only thing i dont do is neutral drop. a rebuild with kevlar clutches would be nice, but so far everything is holding up fine.
so until the day i MUST get kevlar clutches and a full race built tranny, ours seems to be fine. especially if youre constantly throwing 275 hp through it...
______________________________ Matt D. '06 Evo IX SE '98 RS-T 13.8 @ 106.1
#2008, "RE: Steal parts from a GT Cruiser?" In response to Reply # 9
for a while now i have been thinkin bout 5 speed swap and have like 600 saved up and i think im just gonna either go for a used stage 1 or build up the trans. how much shit could i get wit 600, i know the gears are like 110, shift kit 20, cooler 35, i got remote filter and temp guage. and i would like to get around a 2800 stall t.c. how much do those run i cant find any sites that sell em.
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#2009, "RE: Steal parts from a GT Cruiser?" In response to Reply # 10
Reading on Auto Trader it looks like it is an Electronically Controlled Automatic OD transmission like ours, so I would assume that thay used the A604/41TE platform. I'll bet that we could use some things from this unit. I think though that most of us that have persued higher performance with our transmission would agree that the main thing that we would like to see, is a higher rev limit, so that we can get the most out of our engines. with that in mind. I think that for all out performance, it would be best to look towards the bullet proof Neon three speed non-electronically controlled auto. have you seen all of the shit that is available for this transmission at howells (including axles). I would REALLY like to see if we could make that work in our cars.
#2013, "RE: Steal parts from a GT Cruiser?" In response to Reply # 11
Hmm...I didn't know that Quaife made an LSD for us. I'll put that on the wish list. I would really prefer to keep the A604. Now, I wonder if I could buy a junkyard tranny and rebuild it with all the Transtar goodies. Anybody know if you can do this yourself? I imagine that a shop would charge an arm and a leg for this.
I've thought about the Neon 3 speed. I've driven a few AT Neons and liked the feel of the tranny. But, I wonder what RPM the engine would be at when cruising at 70 mph? I'd figure that there would be some significant sacrifices when switching from a 4 speed to 3 speed (from a daily driver point of view).
Corbin
'95 ESI-T HRC+FMIC+ETC...
Gimme fuel...Gimme fire...Gimme that which I desire
#2014, "RE: Steal parts from a GT Cruiser?" In response to Reply # 12
>Now, I wonder if I could buy a junkyard tranny and >rebuild it with all the Transtar goodies. Anybody know if you >can do this yourself? I imagine that a shop would charge an >arm and a leg for this.
I wonder what you consider an arm and a leg? from what I have seen, you would probably be able to tackle the job with enough time and patience. I wouldn't even attempt it without shop space. keeping everything clean with our transmissions is imperitive and almost impossible in someones back yard.
though you still would be shifting at the lower rpms, and most of the engine upgrades we have are top end.
#2023, "RE: Steal parts from a GT Cruiser?" In response to Reply # 15
>this is a quote >"i have over 300 at the wheels and no problems yet. (knock on >wood). This trans is used in lots of vehicles." >
The only exception to that quote is the thousands(ok maybe 100s) (ok maybe not that many) upgrades here and there this and that.
So in essence, its the same tranny. Like a 99 is a DSM by lineag but not really. As it has grown its become known as "the tranny in every Chrysler" but it has changed quite dramatically id say over the years of its existance.
But yea i iamagine parts will still fit as im sure the specs havnt changed much, just the way certain things work and are controlled.
#2048, "RE: Steal parts from a GT Cruiser?" In response to Reply # 18
"Isn't that for the 5-speed? I know they make one for the 5-speed, but is it interchangeable with the AT?"
I was talking with Dino a long time ago and he mentioned that the two diffs are different, so i dont thinkt he 5spd variant would fit in there. Sure there are slight differences that dont make it possible outta the box.
#2049, "RE: Steal parts from a GT Cruiser?" In response to Reply # 19
I thought we all figured they were the same, since the neon/atx/man phantom grips crap worked. But I guess the whole diff gets replaced with the quaife and not just the phantom grip piece added in that one section
#2050, "RE: Steal parts from a GT Cruiser?" In response to Reply # 20
I was under the impression that they were different, but I don't recall anyone proving it. Perhaps they are similar enough to get that new LSD to work (see the "take out your NS SID now" thread). That seems to be a better alternative than the PG or NS.
Corbin
'95 ESI-T HRC+FMIC+ETC...
Gimme fuel...Gimme fire...Gimme that which I desire
#2051, "RE: Steal parts from a GT Cruiser?" In response to Reply # 21
All I know about the "auto stick" is once you hit a shift point it will shift it self. My dad and I drove a stratis a few years ago with an auto stick and my dad couldn't shift fast enough. It woulnt let you even come close to red line. I would say no tnanx to any one who even wanted to give me one.
