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HybriDSM	Jun-07-05 10:23 AM
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#8382, "RE: Head coming off...what else should I do"
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Originally posted by BigBald
1. On the cams.....there was not tune, just a drop in so that eliminates that factor. It is was conducted almost identical to the intake manifold test. So there were no VARIABLES invovled with the testing. 2. Noone has run 10s on a 3052 yet so it's not a 10 second turbo. Can it run 10s? Who knows but it wasn't part of my long term plan so i moved on. Am I proud that i ran a 13.1 on that turbo with shitty tune and stock SMIC...yes i am. Could i have done better with a FMIC, i am sure I could have. What point are you two trying to make? I already know what happened and why I ran the time I did. And to make another point, at 18psi the 3052 was very effiecient on my stock SMIC on pump gas. I have the logs to prove that.....much better then I got out of the 16g with the same mods at the same level.

I am just trying to straighten out some point I believe to be fallacious.

If they didn't tune with cams, then the test is BS. Cams inherently change airflow. Without tuning, that airflow is inefficient. The gains seen by those cams are likely much lower than they should be. It would be like upgrading from a 14b to a 16g without tuning anything. Sure you'll get some more power but likely not nearly as much as you'd get by actually tuning the fuel for that turbo. Cams aren't drop in mods. They are tunable mods. Different cam gears allow for adjustability and since they directly affect air flow, they need appropriate fuel as well.

Also, in terms of the 3052, it is a ~60 lb/minute turbo right? Well small er turbos than that have gone 10's, whether this one has or not. I understand that you saw your logs as efficient on that turbo at 18 psi, but if you only ran a 13.1 on that setup, it tells me that it just didn't make any sense to risk the ill effects of heat soak. It just comes down to a fundamental discrepancy in our schools of thought on modding. I wouldn't risk the heat soak issue with a turbo that large and I really don't see the point in taking that risk. I've been burned by improperly modding and I see just how small the margin for error is in improperly combined parts.

I guess it just comes down to being inherently apart on point of view.

It's running again shitheads.

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Head coming off...what else should I do [View all] , FlyinEsi, Apr-21-09 09:18 AM

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RE: Head coming off...what else should I do, slowmitsu, Jun-09-05 05:02 AM, #42

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RE: Head coming off...what else should I do, FlyinEsi, Jun-10-05 04:24 AM, #46

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