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The1BillSep-18-03 06:11 PM
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#59637, "RE: Let's talk pistons."
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Well, I am the other Bill from GotTude.com. I can't say that I appreciate the parody of my company name. Just because you do not appreciate the knowledge of one of the partners gives you no right to parody the good name that I have worked (and helped) to create.
I see that you do have much knowledge, and you know the right people. Now, rather then accusing you of being a Canuckistanian like Marco Passente, I will actually ask how you know Marco. Would you, by chance, be a member of NABR (your devout attention to grammar and spelling indicate such)? And if so, were you at the shootout?
All bantering aside, building a motor, as I am sure that you well realize, is a comedy of compromise. Many factors must be weighed and balanced (pun notwithstanding), from rotational mass verses adequate inertia to launch, internal friction verses rotating mass, to price verses power. Certain factors must yield to others. I would be interested in seeing a motor with Ti rods, superlight pistons, counterweights removed, underdriven pulleys all around, and paper-light flywheel be able to launch in any non traction-impaired scenario. Sometimes, it is more important to maintain a bit of rotational inertia to actually be able to get the car moving, and that is when the issue of coatings comes into play. Making the best of the motor by reducing internal friction without breaking the bank and making a motor that is next to impossible to launch with slicks.
I have no experience with the shop who did the coatings on Bill's motor, but I have heard (secondhand knowledge here), that the shop is reputable. I asked Bill about the bubbling on the pistons, and he wasn't thrilled to see it.
The biggest compromise that had to be made in putting his motor together was cost. He started this business because the job market REALLY sucks where he lives, and the cost of living is not terribly high. This translates into low wages, which are not conducive to making a lot of power from a small motor, especially a 4 cylinder. So, he started the business with no startup capitol, and has done his best to make it grow. When I came on board, I wanted to increase the variety of products available for the 2GNT community, and felt that it would be best to do so with an established, but fledgling, company. If this is a problem to you, kindly keep your opinion to yourself. If you have any questions regarding the company, please contact me privately. If you have any questions about our products, please feel free to post publicly, and we will do our best to address your concerns, and possibly explain where we are coming from.
I get the impression that you were not terribly impressed with the intake manifold that we are trying to develop. Please note that the pictures that you saw were only from the prototype stage, and far from a finished product. The finished product will not have holes tapped directly into 1/8" Al. There will be a plate in place which will increase the thickness to 1/4" at the very least. This manifold is another work influenced by compromise. Will it outperform a perfectly engineered sheetmetal manifold? Probably not. Will it be considerably cheaper? You can bank on it. This is a stage one manifold, designed for people who want a large bang for their buck. I am currently working the math on another style of manifold that is usually referred to as a "reverse collector" manifold. I do not have the dimensions ready, and the diagrams are not at the point where they can be publicly posted. This manifold, however, could be set up and tuned for any RPM, but I am doing the math for a high RPM high turbo setup. There will be a fuel rail of similar principle to go along with the manifold. The goal is to have a manifold and fuel rail that will reduce or eliminate hot cylinders and cold cylinders.
I hope that I was able to show you that this business is innovative, creating new products and using new designs. However, we must be able to appreciate the tight fisted people who are not willing (or able!) to drop $600-$700 for a properly made manifold, or $2000+ for the best internals out there. In a perfect world, we would focus on the best of the best. In the real world, however, compromises must be made.
-=B-=

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Let's talk pistons. [View all] , mototool, Sep-17-03 04:40 AM
  RE: Let's talk pistons., Eagle 5, Sep-17-03 05:00 AM, #1
RE: Let's talk pistons., mototool, Sep-17-03 05:09 AM, #2
RE: Let's talk pistons., mototool, Sep-17-03 05:18 AM, #3
RE: Let's talk pistons., jamesman, Sep-17-03 05:19 AM, #4
RE: Let's talk pistons., Eagle 5, Sep-17-03 06:26 AM, #5
RE: Let's talk pistons., mototool, Sep-17-03 06:41 AM, #6
RE: Let's talk pistons., MmmDeion, Sep-17-03 06:46 AM, #7
RE: Let's talk pistons., safedawg, Sep-17-03 06:47 AM, #8
RE: Let's talk pistons., Eagle 5, Sep-17-03 06:54 AM, #9
RE: Let's talk pistons., 420AYE, Sep-17-03 06:58 AM, #10
RE: Let's talk pistons., mototool, Sep-17-03 07:41 AM, #11
RE: Let's talk pistons., Eagle 5, Sep-17-03 07:56 AM, #12
RE: Let's talk pistons., mototool, Sep-17-03 08:11 AM, #13
RE: Let's talk pistons., Eagle 5, Sep-17-03 08:26 AM, #14
RE: Let's talk pistons., TeamJeff_99gs, Sep-17-03 08:29 AM, #15
RE: Let's talk pistons., Uberingram, Sep-17-03 08:31 AM, #16
RE: Let's talk pistons., mototool, Sep-17-03 08:36 AM, #17
RE: Let's talk pistons., turbo8u, Sep-17-03 08:39 AM, #18
RE: Let's talk pistons., mototool, Sep-17-03 08:46 AM, #19
RE: Let's talk pistons., turbo8u, Sep-17-03 08:49 AM, #20
RE: Let's talk pistons., mototool, Sep-17-03 08:54 AM, #21
RE: Let's talk pistons., safedawg, Sep-17-03 09:08 AM, #22
RE: Let's talk pistons., Uberingram, Sep-17-03 09:08 AM, #23
RE: Let's talk pistons., TeamJeff_99gs, Sep-17-03 09:46 AM, #24
RE: Let's talk pistons., MotoFool, Sep-17-03 09:54 AM, #25
RE: Let's talk pistons., mototool, Sep-17-03 10:06 AM, #26
RE: Let's talk pistons., Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, Sep-17-03 10:13 AM, #27
RE: Let's talk pistons., xEclipsE RaceRx, Sep-17-03 10:55 AM, #28
RE: Let's talk pistons., 420AYE, Sep-17-03 11:09 AM, #29
RE: Let's talk pistons., Uberingram, Sep-17-03 11:32 AM, #30
RE: Let's talk pistons., 420AYE, Sep-17-03 11:43 AM, #31
RE: Let's talk pistons., Uberingram, Sep-17-03 12:37 PM, #32
RE: Let's talk pistons., turbo8u, Sep-17-03 12:44 PM, #33
RE: Let's talk pistons., TeamXtremeRS, Sep-17-03 01:00 PM, #34
RE: Let's talk pistons., ez, Sep-17-03 01:19 PM, #35
RE: Let's talk pistons., MotoFool, Sep-17-03 03:11 PM, #36
RE: Let's talk pistons., MotoFool, Sep-17-03 03:16 PM, #37
RE: Let's talk pistons., mototool, Sep-17-03 06:20 PM, #38
RE: Let's talk pistons., Teamdougie2, Sep-17-03 06:48 PM, #39
RE: Let's talk pistons., Teamdougie2, Sep-17-03 07:03 PM, #40
RE: Let's talk pistons., xEclipsE RaceRx, Sep-18-03 01:42 AM, #41
RE: Let's talk pistons., Eagle 5, Sep-18-03 02:54 AM, #42
RE: Let's talk pistons., mototool, Sep-18-03 03:49 AM, #43
RE: Let's talk pistons., mototool, Sep-18-03 04:06 AM, #44
RE: Let's talk pistons., Eagle 5, Sep-18-03 04:15 AM, #45
RE: Let's talk pistons., mototool, Sep-18-03 04:53 AM, #46
RE: Let's talk pistons., Teamdougie2, Sep-18-03 05:05 AM, #47
RE: Let's talk pistons., Eagle 5, Sep-18-03 05:08 AM, #48
RE: Let's talk pistons., mike_d, Sep-18-03 07:46 AM, #49
RE: Let's talk pistons., mototool, Sep-18-03 08:14 AM, #50
RE: Let's talk pistons., Eagle 5, Sep-18-03 08:17 AM, #51
RE: Let's talk pistons., 420AYE, Sep-18-03 08:23 AM, #52
RE: Let's talk pistons., mototool, Sep-18-03 08:52 AM, #53
RE: Let's talk pistons., MotoFool, Sep-18-03 10:08 AM, #54
RE: Let's talk pistons., mototool, Sep-18-03 10:38 AM, #55
RE: Let's talk pistons., vtcomp, Sep-18-03 10:59 AM, #56
RE: Let's talk pistons., vtcomp, Sep-18-03 10:59 AM, #57
RE: Let's talk pistons., Eagle 5, Sep-18-03 11:18 AM, #58
RE: Let's talk pistons., Teametx, Sep-18-03 11:30 AM, #59
RE: Let's talk pistons., Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, Sep-18-03 11:45 AM, #60
RE: Let's talk pistons., Eagle 5, Sep-18-03 11:46 AM, #61
RE: Let's talk pistons., mototool, Sep-18-03 12:04 PM, #62
RE: Let's talk pistons., Eagle 5, Sep-18-03 12:13 PM, #63
RE: Let's talk pistons., vtcomp, Sep-18-03 12:22 PM, #64
RE: Let's talk pistons., Eagle 5, Sep-18-03 12:24 PM, #65
RE: Let's talk pistons., vtcomp, Sep-18-03 12:27 PM, #66
RE: Let's talk pistons., Eagle 5, Sep-18-03 12:28 PM, #67
RE: Let's talk pistons., widebodied, Sep-18-03 02:53 PM, #68
RE: Let's talk pistons., jerseystyle1, Sep-18-03 03:08 PM, #69
RE: Let's talk pistons., Teametx, Sep-18-03 03:16 PM, #70
RE: Let's talk pistons., pfmicks, Sep-18-03 03:45 PM, #71
RE: Let's talk pistons., TeamJasonESi_T, Sep-18-03 04:11 PM, #72
RE: Let's talk pistons., Eagle 5, Sep-18-03 04:23 PM, #73
RE: Let's talk pistons., Teametx, Sep-18-03 05:52 PM, #74
RE: Let's talk pistons., The1Bill, Sep-18-03 06:11 PM #75
RE: Let's talk pistons., Teamdougie2, Sep-18-03 06:49 PM, #76
RE: Let's talk pistons., Chamuko, Sep-18-03 08:08 PM, #77
RE: Let's talk pistons., MotoFool, Sep-18-03 08:18 PM, #78
RE: Let's talk pistons., MotoFool, Sep-18-03 08:29 PM, #79
RE: Let's talk pistons., MotoFool, Sep-18-03 08:58 PM, #80
RE: Let's talk pistons., vtcomp, Sep-19-03 02:54 AM, #81
RE: Let's talk pistons., vtcomp, Sep-19-03 02:56 AM, #82
RE: Let's talk pistons., vtcomp, Sep-19-03 03:06 AM, #83
RE: Let's talk pistons., ModeratorCorbin, Sep-19-03 03:16 AM, #84
RE: Let's talk pistons., jerseystyle1, Sep-19-03 03:27 AM, #85
RE: Let's talk pistons., mototool, Sep-19-03 03:32 AM, #86
RE: Let's talk pistons., extreme97nt, Sep-19-03 04:18 AM, #87
RE: Let's talk pistons., MotoFool, Sep-19-03 04:32 AM, #88
RE: Let's talk pistons., Eagle 5, Sep-19-03 04:41 AM, #89
RE: Let's talk pistons., mototool, Sep-19-03 05:03 AM, #90
RE: Let's talk pistons., Teametx, Sep-19-03 05:15 AM, #91
RE: Let's talk pistons., Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, Sep-19-03 05:30 AM, #92
RE: Let's talk pistons., TeamXtremeRS, Sep-19-03 05:54 AM, #93
RE: Let's talk pistons., Eagle 5, Sep-19-03 05:59 AM, #94
RE: Let's talk pistons., vtcomp, Sep-19-03 06:23 AM, #95
RE: Let's talk pistons., vtcomp, Sep-19-03 06:41 AM, #96
RE: Let's talk pistons., mototool, Sep-19-03 07:20 AM, #97
RE: Let's talk pistons., vtcomp, Sep-19-03 07:37 AM, #98
RE: Let's talk pistons., vtcomp, Sep-19-03 07:45 AM, #99
RE: Let's talk pistons., mototool, Sep-19-03 07:53 AM, #100
RE: Let's talk pistons., vtcomp, Sep-19-03 07:55 AM, #101
RE: Let's talk pistons., TeamDeanoD, Sep-19-03 07:57 AM, #102
RE: Let's talk pistons., mototool, Sep-19-03 08:06 AM, #103
RE: Let's talk pistons., vtcomp, Sep-19-03 08:12 AM, #104
RE: Let's talk pistons., mototool, Sep-19-03 09:36 AM, #105
RE: Let's talk pistons., vtcomp, Sep-19-03 09:53 AM, #106
RE: Let's talk pistons., mototool, Sep-19-03 10:04 AM, #107
RE: Let's talk pistons., TeamMichael_97RS, Sep-19-03 10:10 AM, #108
RE: Let's talk pistons., whodatt1, Sep-19-03 10:27 AM, #109
RE: Let's talk pistons., TeamJasonESi_T, Sep-19-03 10:29 AM, #110
RE: Let's talk pistons., TeamDeanoD, Sep-19-03 10:44 AM, #111
RE: Let's talk pistons., mototool, Sep-19-03 10:50 AM, #112
RE: Let's talk pistons., vtcomp, Sep-19-03 11:15 AM, #113
RE: Let's talk pistons., TeamMichael_97RS, Sep-19-03 11:33 AM, #114
RE: Let's talk pistons., TeamDeanoD, Sep-19-03 11:47 AM, #115
RE: Let's talk pistons., thedawg, Sep-19-03 01:23 PM, #116
RE: Let's talk pistons., MotoFool, Sep-19-03 05:40 PM, #117
RE: Let's talk pistons., Chamuko, Sep-19-03 08:52 PM, #118
RE: Let's talk pistons., Shockeclipse, Sep-19-03 10:04 PM, #119
RE: Let's talk pistons., The1Bill, Sep-20-03 12:00 AM, #120
RE: Let's talk pistons., Remy, Sep-20-03 02:35 PM, #121
RE: Let's talk pistons., Chamuko, Sep-20-03 05:05 PM, #122
RE: Let's talk pistons., KidEvo, Sep-20-03 05:16 PM, #123
RE: Let's talk pistons., mototool, Sep-20-03 09:24 PM, #124
RE: Let's talk pistons., KidEvo, Sep-21-03 06:54 AM, #125
RE: Let's talk pistons., MotoFool, Sep-21-03 08:58 AM, #126
RE: Let's talk pistons., The1Bill, Sep-21-03 10:26 AM, #127
RE: Let's talk pistons., WIKKI, Sep-21-03 10:50 AM, #128
RE: Let's talk pistons., mototool, Sep-21-03 03:06 PM, #129
RE: Let's talk pistons., calcio20, Sep-21-03 05:54 PM, #130
RE: Let's talk pistons., The1Bill, Sep-21-03 06:24 PM, #131
RE: Let's talk pistons., The1Bill, Sep-21-03 06:28 PM, #132
RE: Let's talk pistons., Mannyyy, Sep-21-03 06:51 PM, #133
Off topic, but my thoughts, TeamMuRiX, Sep-22-03 12:55 AM, #134
RE: Off topic, but my thoughts, mototool, Sep-22-03 05:30 AM, #135
RE: Off topic, but my thoughts, jerseystyle1, Sep-22-03 06:58 AM, #136
RE: Off topic, but my thoughts, Teametx, Sep-22-03 08:28 AM, #137
RE: Off topic, but my thoughts, The1Bill, Sep-22-03 01:59 PM, #138
RE: Off topic, but my thoughts, The1Bill, Sep-22-03 07:34 PM, #139
RE: Off topic, but my thoughts, vtcomp, Sep-23-03 01:51 AM, #140
RE: Let's talk pistons., vtcomp, Sep-23-03 02:06 AM, #141
RE: Off topic, but my thoughts, mototool, Sep-23-03 05:04 AM, #142
RE: Off topic, but my thoughts, Chamuko, Sep-23-03 07:33 AM, #143
RE: Off topic, but my thoughts, soulcontroller, Sep-23-03 08:10 AM, #144
RE: Off topic, but my thoughts, MotoFool, Sep-23-03 08:54 AM, #145
RE: Let's talk pistons., Raven457, Sep-23-03 08:59 AM, #146
RE: Off topic, but my thoughts, vtcomp, Sep-23-03 10:02 AM, #147
RE: Off topic, but my thoughts, Teametx, Sep-23-03 10:25 AM, #148
RE: Off topic, but my thoughts, vtcomp, Sep-23-03 11:49 AM, #149
RE: Off topic, but my thoughts, mototool, Sep-23-03 11:58 AM, #150
RE: Off topic, but my thoughts, vtcomp, Sep-23-03 03:19 PM, #151
RE: Off topic, but my thoughts, mototool, Sep-24-03 04:02 AM, #152
RE: Off topic, but my thoughts, Teametx, Sep-24-03 07:58 AM, #153
RE: Off topic, but my thoughts, mototool, Sep-24-03 08:25 AM, #154
RE: Off topic, but my thoughts, Teametx, Sep-24-03 08:36 AM, #155
RE: Off topic, but my thoughts, mototool, Sep-24-03 08:53 AM, #156
RE: Off topic, but my thoughts, TeamDeanoD, Sep-24-03 11:16 AM, #157
RE: Off topic, but my thoughts, vtcomp, Sep-24-03 11:28 AM, #158
RE: Off topic, but my thoughts, MajinVejitaXV, Sep-24-03 04:11 PM, #159
RE: Off topic, but my thoughts, SoCal99GS, Oct-21-03 10:07 AM, #160
RE: Off topic, but my thoughts, Global Ruler Of All ThingsDarkOne, Oct-21-03 01:15 PM, #161
RE: Off topic, but my thoughts, SoCal99GS, Oct-22-03 04:03 AM, #162
RE: Off topic, but my thoughts, Teametx, Oct-22-03 05:51 AM, #163
RE: Off topic, but my thoughts, Matt_95tgs, Oct-22-03 11:06 AM, #164
RE: Off topic, but my thoughts, KidEvo, Oct-23-03 07:55 PM, #165
RE: Off topic, but my thoughts, Teametx, Oct-24-03 04:27 PM, #166

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