i won't front here. i'm not very coordinated sometimes, and i did what a few of you did and bought a manual so that i'd be FORCED to learn. i was driving OK within about a day, got it down in about a week. but now that it's been 5 years later, it's true that i still get some pretty severe brain fade sometimes. i.e. shoving it into 3rd instead of 5th when you're already doin 80mph on the highway, bogging it badly, overclutching it, grinding, etc... however, i haven't recalled actually killing a car in years, so i guess that part's outta my system...

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