ok dirty just to let u know the techs told me they "should be the same". They look I dentical to me just wanted to be 100% sure before getting started. What drb3 tools do u want, got a part #. I can try and get them for ya. I am hoping to do this to all parts of the tranny. Convertors too. Also hope to do the mcgyver list to some trannies and sell them already all hooked up. The techs dont think u can do much to these trannies do to the fact they replace 2 a week. They recomend buying a 5 speed. They do recomend using mopar atf only though, yeah every1 knows that.