Alright, I hate car dealers (new or used). BUT I'm married sooooo, I gotta try to purchase one of these new Convertable Camaro's......oh how I fucking hate car salesmen

Anyway, anybody got a "friendly" who can help me out with buying one of these pieces of crap? I've got no friends that I know of who are car salesmen (because, of course, how could I like them, lol?).

Can anybody help me out with any of their little tricks so I can bring the price to a reasonable amount (instead of buying the "car underay/undercoating" that you don't need for another $500)? I can play hardball in the used car market, but I got no defense in the new car market (because I don't buy new cars because.......I hate car salesmen).

Yes, I know I shouldn't buy first year cars. Yes, I know I'm setting myslef up for a screwing by buying a car that there are so few available. But you read the part where I said I was married right?

I did some research and came up with a "sticker" price. But I don't know if I can work that any. Also, the stealership wants to put a $3000 "delivery fee" on top of that. What the fvck is that about?


So, I'm looking for a little information because information is power.

Thanks for any help,

MB

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New car dealerships don't budge much on price but typical negotiation techniques are always worth noting.

Time is on your side (unless your wife thinks different) so be patient and persistent with them. Dealerships like to move inventory even if they are not making money.

I think I read somewhere that dealerships standard markup was 15-20% of what they bought it from the manufacturer for. So keep that in mind when negotiating price. A $25,000 car will not be able to get more than $3750-$5000 off without the dealership losing money. Realistically, I don't see you getting more than $2000 off unless you are really good and/or the dealership is desperate (I don't think dealerships are having trouble selling Camaro's now though)

Shop many dealerships and try to convince the dealership where you are at that somewhere else has got a better deal. My brother-in law would even say all kinds of things were wrong with a particular car even though he really didn't know just to get the seller worried that the true value was less than what they are selling it for. (Although this won't work at a new car dealeship because they don't have problems)

It is important that you convince the other person/dealership that the car has less value than what they are selling it for.

It is well-known around the world that Americans don't have any patience when it comes to negotiating. Foreign negotiators use this to their advantage. So when at the dealership, don't rush into a deal and expect for it to be a week long or more process. Time will force the dealership to want to make a sale.

Talk less and be quiet when negotiating price as it makes the other person look for words to say. To take words from Dave Ramsey, just say "that's not good enough" and be quiet and let them try to talk you into it. The awkward silence will make them try to find ways to compell you to buy.

Like you said, knowledge is power so learn everything you can about Camaro pricing, options, disadvantages, advantages, and etc. on the car

If you are buying in cash it will give you an edge, and if you are financing I recommend using traditional bank auto loans instead of dealership financing. Dealerships make most of their money on financing and extra options like (unnecessary rust-proofing)

Anyway, good luck! Sorry if I ranted a bit, negotiations are interesting to me and a big part of my job is to negotiate federal government contracts.

Assuming this isn't an April Fools... I agree the Japanese have it down w/ using silence in negotiations, and don't use the dealership's financing if at all possible (get prequalified at your own bank). You'll never get a good deal unless you're willing to walk away.

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97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

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Go in there tell them you want to buy a car with CASH, and whats the best they can do on the sticker price. Also mention that you are waiting on OTHER dealers to give you a qoute, Making them fight for your money. Leave them with your phone number, Tell them to call you when they are done punching their numbers together. Walk out, and don't say a word.

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Well, done deal. Thanks for all the input. Finally found a "friendly" who was able to give me a straight deal. This was never about getting the cheapest deal possible. It was about getting an honest and fair deal. I wasn't into taking them to the cleaners, but I wanted to have some shirts left over to clean.

For informations sake, the e-mail thing didn't work. I ended up with one actual quote on 7 sent out (I figured I'd start with seven). The rest of the responses to my request were just fishing for information from me and lies. As soon as they found out I was standing my ground on them having enough information to give me a quote, they just kinda withered away.

So in about 2 months, I'll have a big, bright, shiney yellow convertible sitting in my driveway. Whoop-dy-do and a waste of money too.

Captain Caveman

96 RS Turbo 11.414 @ 119.62 MSNS, Crower 2 NA cams, BW366, 10.5 comp, UDP, 60mm TB, W/A intercooler, 3.55 tranny 567.9whp 430tq
97 RS NA 13.188 @ 103.87 MSnS powered 12.5 comp, Crower 3's and 219.4whp with 175tq
98 RS DD 12.5 comp on stock ECU, LTH, Crower 2's, Koni, GC, Hypercoil, DG hats
99 OZ 5sp Stocker 15.856 @ 85.97
99 GS stocker auto 17.7@77mph!

wiki home page:http://www.2gnt.com/index.php?d=bullettdsm

Originally posted by teklein

Originally posted by bullettdsm Well, done deal. Thanks for all the input. Finally found a "friendly" who was able to give me a straight deal. This was never about getting the cheapest deal possible. It was about getting an honest and fair deal. I wasn't into taking them to the cleaners, but I wanted to have some shirts left over to clean. For informations sake, the e-mail thing didn't work. I ended up with one actual quote on 7 sent out (I figured I'd start with seven). The rest of the responses to my request were just fishing for information from me and lies. As soon as they found out I was standing my ground on them having enough information to give me a quote, they just kinda withered away. So in about 2 months, I'll have a big, bright, shiney yellow convertible sitting in my driveway. Whoop-dy-do and a waste of money too.

How long until its high comp, cammed, and running on MS? Congrats

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