Well lately I have been researching the beloved 2.4 swap, and finding all sorts of great information all around this site. But I have noticed, there is really not a single condensed thread or writeup with all the information needed to perform this swap. I keep reading that every person has a different way of doing it, and each way works, depending on the parts people use. So I figured we could try to get everyone that has done it so far give fairly detailed explanations of all that went into this swap to help all people that are currently planning on the 2.4 swap or people who will do it in the future.
So far I have found this(correct me if I'm wrong):
- Block from Cloud cars: Stratus, Cirrus, Sebring,(years?) - Remove balance shafts, plug oil holes - Rotate cam sensor 90*(advanced or retard?) - rewire the injectors moving 1-2, 2-3, 3-4, and 4-1. - must swap wires 1 and 3 running to coil. - modified pt cruiser p/s bracket - custom passanger side motor mount - Moddified Oil Pan (2001 Dodge Stratus oil pan works well?) - custom downpipe - Time head like 2.0 - Can use SRT4 pistons and rods for a boost capable engine
I'm still unclear on:
- Which oil pump and what modifications are needed? - What cooling modifications are needed - What turbo8u is saying half the time(dank? )
I hope this thread will grab the attention of the swappers and help all future swappers and make attaining information on it easier. Thanks in advance
-Chris 1999 Eclipse T-GS 2.4 Project is Officially underway
#112725, "RE: Collective 2.4L Swap Information" In response to Reply # 0
Turby and I did it pretty differently. I used a modified PT bracket and a 2.0L PS pump, i think he uses some Stratus parts and a 2.0L bracket & pump. Because I used a PT bracket, there's no pivot to the pump, meaning I had to buy an SRT4 AC compressor bracket because that's where the tensioner bolts, and then use an SRT4 accessory belt tensioner (slightly modified).
The type of oil pump you go with dictates the pan you need. I used an SRT4 oil pump (thicker rotors, more capacity) which necessitated using an SRT4 oilpan. A Stratus pump can use any of the stamped steel or cast aluminum pans with no oil passages, but you'll have trouble getting the motor in with the passsenger axle in place.
other than that, looks about right. If you use a MS for fuel and spark, you can leave the cam magnet and injector order alone.
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#112726, "RE: Collective 2.4L Swap Information" In response to Reply # 1
Originally posted by DarkOne Turby and I did it pretty differently. I used a modified PT bracket and a 2.0L PS pump, i think he uses some Stratus parts and a 2.0L bracket & pump. Because I used a PT bracket, there's no pivot to the pump, meaning I had to buy an SRT4 AC compressor bracket because that's where the tensioner bolts, and then use an SRT4 accessory belt tensioner (slightly modified). The type of oil pump you go with dictates the pan you need. I used an SRT4 oil pump (thicker rotors, more capacity) which necessitated using an SRT4 oilpan. A Stratus pump can use any of the stamped steel or cast aluminum pans with no oil passages, but you'll have trouble getting the motor in with the passsenger axle in place. other than that, looks about right. If you use a MS for fuel and spark, you can leave the cam magnet and injector order alone.
Excellent, thank you for your input. Does the SRT4 oil pan need modifcation to fit? I heard the 2001 Dodge Stratus Oil pan fit perfectly? I basically want a pan that needs the least amount of modification possible because the last time I modified my oil pan(turbo) I had leak problems.
One last thing I was confused about was the talk of Marking the cam gears differently then how they are normally marked stock. Which cam gears are these, the 2.0 or 2.4, and how must they be marked?
I searched for 6 hours yesterday alone, and so far these are my main confusions. I'm sure these questions have been asked before but I just couldn't find them. Thanks for the help.
-Chris 1999 Eclipse T-GS 2.4 Project is Officially underway
#112727, "RE: Collective 2.4L Swap Information" In response to Reply # 2 Apr-05-06 07:53 AM by micyek
Originally posted by GSGoinFast One last thing I was confused about was the talk of Marking the cam gears differently then how they are normally marked stock. Which cam gears are these, the 2.0 or 2.4, and how must they be marked? I searched for 6 hours yesterday alone, and so far these are my main confusions. I'm sure these questions have been asked before but I just couldn't find them. Thanks for the help.
They are exactly the same gears. The stock ones that I used had 2.0L marked on one side and 2.4L on the other. You need to put them 2.4L on the outside. But the timing marks have to be 180* out from each other. But the markes on the 2.0L side (head side) will be in sync. I was lucky, when the gears were stamped with the marker at the factory they got hit slightly on the opposite side, making so I didn't have to transfer the marks from the 2.0L side to the 2.4L side. I hope that's clear. If you have a set in front of you it'll make more sense.
#112728, "RE: Collective 2.4L Swap Information" In response to Reply # 3
Originally posted by GSGoinFast Excellent, thank you for your input. Does the SRT4 oil pan need modifcation to fit? I heard the 2001 Dodge Stratus Oil pan fit perfectly? I basically want a pan that needs the least amount of modification possible because the last time I modified my oil pan(turbo) I had leak problems.
They all fit just fine, as long as you don't try to run the exhaust under them. They'll clear the centermember. The notch you cut is for the downpipe clearance, and every 2.4L pan will have to be notched unless you side pipe it
Originally posted by micyek They are exactly the same gears. The stock ones that I used had 2.0L marked on one side and 2.4L on the other. You need to put them 2.4L on the outside. But the timing marks have to 180* out from each other. But the markes on the 2.0L side (head side) will be in sync. I was lucky, when the gears were stamped with the marker at the factory they got hit slightly on the opposite side, making so I didn't have to transfer the marks from the 2.0L side to the 2.4L side. I hope that's clear. If you have a set in front of you it'll make more sense.
True.
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#112729, "RE: Collective 2.4L Swap Information" In response to Reply # 3
Originally posted by micyek They are exactly the same gears. The stock ones that I used had 2.0L marked on one side and 2.4L on the other. You need to put them 2.4L on the outside. But the timing marks have to be 180* out from each other. But the markes on the 2.0L side (head side) will be in sync. I was lucky, when the gears were stamped with the marker at the factory they got hit slightly on the opposite side, making so I didn't have to transfer the marks from the 2.0L side to the 2.4L side. I hope that's clear. If you have a set in front of you it'll make more sense.
Ok I'm pretty sure I understand what your saying now. My next question would be why do they have to be flipped? what does that accomplish? Thanks for the help, I really appreciate it. I think I'm going to the junkyard today after class to start looking for a 2.4
-Chris 1999 Eclipse T-GS 2.4 Project is Officially underway
#112730, "RE: Collective 2.4L Swap Information" In response to Reply # 5
Originally posted by GSGoinFast Ok I'm pretty sure I understand what your saying now. My next question would be why do they have to be flipped? what does that accomplish? Thanks for the help, I really appreciate it.
Because they're offset. The 2.0L side hugs the gear closer to the head, the 2.4L side pushes it further out.
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#112732, "RE: Collective 2.4L Swap Information" In response to Reply # 7
Originally posted by BumpinTalon this page can answer just about all of your questions, gsgoinfast http://aseclub.net/invision/index.php?showtopic=67755 plus it has pics. I am not sure if you have seen it already.
Wow that is a great link thanks a lot man I never saw that before.
Well I went to a local junkyard today and got a nice little find. I found a 95(I believe it was a 95, it had a DSM sticker on it and I believe those were the only 2g's to come with DSM stickers, but I didnt check the vin so I don't know) Talon ESI. I got an A-pillar plastic piece for $5(dealer wanted $72!!!) and I'm going back tomorrow to grab the intake manifold for $20, and maybe the head if it is in good condition. I can port and polish that intake manifold and hopefully just have a full long block to drop into the car when the project is nearing completion to limit the downtime. There were also some 1g's there so I'll grab a motor mount from it for the passanger mount.
I found one 2.4 block in a cirrus there but someone took the head and the cylinders were all rusted out and filled with water, so that one is worthless, I'm gonna have to keep looking
Dino, So I can use any 2.4L oil pan without having to modify it at all if I side pipe the downpipe? Hmm is there room to sidepipe it? Haven't really looked.
And finally, where is everyone getting there stock SRT4 parts for cheap? Dealer? I've been googling but havent gotten any results. Thanks alot for all your help!
-Chris 1999 Eclipse T-GS 2.4 Project is Officially underway
#112733, "RE: Collective 2.4L Swap Information" In response to Reply # 8 Apr-05-06 03:56 PM by BumpinTalon
Originally posted by GSGoinFast
Originally posted by BumpinTalon this page can answer just about all of your questions, gsgoinfast http://aseclub.net/invision/index.php?showtopic=67755 plus it has pics. I am not sure if you have seen it already.
Wow that is a great link thanks a lot man I never saw that before. Well I went to a local junkyard today and got a nice little find. I found a 95(I believe it was a 95, it had a DSM sticker on it and I believe those were the only 2g's to come with DSM stickers, but I didnt check the vin so I don't know) Talon ESI. I got an A-pillar plastic piece for $5(dealer wanted $72!!!) and I'm going back tomorrow to grab the intake manifold for $20, and maybe the head if it is in good condition. I can port and polish that intake manifold and hopefully just have a full long block to drop into the car when the project is nearing completion to limit the downtime. There were also some 1g's there so I'll grab a motor mount from it for the passanger mount. I found one 2.4 block in a cirrus there but someone took the head and the cylinders were all rusted out and filled with water, so that one is worthless, I'm gonna have to keep looking Dino, So I can use any 2.4L oil pan without having to modify it at all if I side pipe the downpipe? Hmm is there room to sidepipe it? Haven't really looked. And finally, where is everyone getting there stock SRT4 parts for cheap? Dealer? I've been googling but havent gotten any results. Thanks alot for all your help!
There is tons of room to sidepipe it. There was a guy on here with a 14B turbo kit and he had his sidepipe right out the side of his front bumper. If you remove the EGR stuff (charcoal canister) from the passenger side, you will have plenty of space down there, and then you will keep your piping hot exhaust away from the intercooler you have stashed on your driver's side and your air intake. Then it will also not have to turn 180 degrees from the turbine outlet and will flow better as a result... and it will seem quieter to you. I drove around with an open downpipe for a long time and I really didn't mind, aside from sucking gas fumes into the car since my exited right in front of the motor.
#112734, "RE: Collective 2.4L Swap Information" In response to Reply # 9
Originally posted by BumpinTalon There is tons of room to sidepipe it. There was a guy on here with a 14B turbo kit and he had his sidepipe right out the side of his front bumper. If you remove the EGR stuff (charcoal canister) from the passenger side, you will have plenty of space down there, and then you will keep your piping hot exhaust away from the intercooler you have stashed on your driver's side and your air intake. Then it will also not have to turn 180 degrees from the turbine outlet and will flow better as a result... and it will seem quieter to you. I drove around with an open downpipe for a long time and I really didn't mind, aside from sucking gas fumes into the car since my exited right in front of the motor.
Wow, I totally missed the whole meaning of sidepipe... I was thinking of a pipe that went around the oil pan instead of under it... Ok well is there any oil pan that wont need modification or am I basically gonna have to modify it to get the downpipe to the cat?
-Chris 1999 Eclipse T-GS 2.4 Project is Officially underway
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